Talk:Tag:amenity=fuel
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I have a variation that I would like to propose but not knowing if this is the correct venue I will likely post this here and possibly in a separate proposal.
I have never had the pleasure of visiting the UK so I am unaware of the conventions there. In the US we have many different types of "petrol stations" or "fuel stations" as the term seems to be being used in this discussion. Naturally we term them otherwise.;)
As opposed to the variation below that seems to lump all the amenity=fuel entries under the same category, why not split this into at least 2 separate proposals one for the items listed below and another entry for what we "Yanks" call "Travel Plazas"? In the US a travI have a variation that I would like to propose but not knowing if this is the correct venue I will likely post this here and possibly in a separate proposal.
I have never had the pleasure of visiting the UK so I am unaware of the conventions there. In the US we have many different types of "petrol stations" or "fuel stations" as the term seems to be being used in this discussion. Naturally we term them otherwise.;)
As opposed to the variation below that seems to lump all the amenity=fuel entries under the same category, why not split this into at least 2 separate proposals one for the items listed below and another entry for what we "Yanks" call "Travel Plazas"? In the US a travel plaza is generally accepted to be a large service plaza with separate auto and truck(Lorry) fueling facilities. They also generally include a deli and/or restaurant(sometimes fast food, sometimes full service, sometimes both) showers, vehicle repair, auto and truck wash and various other amenities.
The reason I bring this up is this: We are all editing this in the hope that it finds widespread and free use and possibly even common usage. I know that I would hate to be needing a place to fuel my 18-wheeler(lorry) and do a POI search under amenities=fuel and have el plaza is generally accepted to be a large service plaza with separate auto and truck(Lorry) fueling facilities. They also generally include a deli and/or restaurant(sometimes fast food, sometimes full service, sometimes both) showers, vehicle repair, auto and truck wash and various other amenities.
The reason I bring this up is this: We are all editing this in the hope that it finds widespread and free use and possibly even common usage. I know that I would hate to be needing a place to fuel my 18-wheeler(lorry) and do a POI search under amenities=fuel and have to examine each one to determine whether "hgv=no" for each separate one. Here on our side of the pond running a large truck out of diesel can even earn you a hefty fine from the authorities, so I think it would be a smart idea to split this proposal now rather than have to go back later and reclassify all the already entered POIs.
If this needs to be entered as it´s own proposal then please don´t hesitate to let me know or explain why I am mistaken or unnecessarily complicating things. Thanks --Ai4fu 13:49, 10 September 2007 (BST)
i think every station has diesel and octane 95, but it could be useful for less found gas types, mainly the biologic ones
key: value
- amenity: fuel
- name: shell
- self_service: yes
- fuel_diesel: yes
- fuel_biodiesel: no
- fuel_octane_95: yes
- fuel_octane_98: yes
- fuel_octane_100: no
- fuel_biogas: no
- fuel_lpg: yes
- fuel_cng: no
- fuel_hydrogen: no
- price: way_too_much ;)
(don't think about including the price tag unless you're updating it at least weekly)
Draft proposed by blk 12:19, 9 Jun 2006 (UTC)
- I've been using "amenity=fuel" - rather a simplification compared to that system, but allows the pump symbol to be marked on maps. Will the British ones be marked petrol-station instead of gas-station? Ojw 12:32, 12 Jun 2006 (UTC)
- amenity=fuel sounds better, changed the proposition to it. blk 14:53, 13 Jun 2006 (UTC)
In addition to the type of fuel sold it would be useful to know what restrictions the station has. Signs stating 'No HGVs' are very regular occurance. Thus you now have the additional restriction keys eg: hgv=no.
- what's an "HGV" ?
- HGV = Heavy Goods Vehicle. In UK legal terms: From 1 January 1994 the weight definition changed to those vehicles over 3.5 tonnes maximum permissible gross weight. Prior to that these vehicles were defined as goods vehicles over 1.524 tonnes unladen weight and included vehicles with six or more tyres, some four wheel vehicles with extra large bodies and larger rear tyres and tractor units travelling without their usual trailer, or in simple terms a lorry/truck -- Batchoy 15:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I also have a symbol for it:
- That looks like no buses to me. --Korea 05:35, 19 August 2007 (BST)
Batchoy 22:07 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Prices
How difficult would it be to keep-track of fuel prices? Would it be enough to say that a petrol station is "sainsburys, non-london", and have a separate list somewhere of what sainsburys' current prices are? Ojw 12:46, 24 Jun 2006 (UTC)
- Prices are different all over the place though. In general, the lowest prices are in towns and the highest in the countryside. I don't think it would be practical to store this kind of information. Certain garages tend to have high prices and others low compared to others, so mabye this could be stored. - Bruce89 13:07, 24 Jun 2006 (UTC)
- petrolprices.com already has this info but based on Google maps. Anyone fancy contacting them? --Dean Earley 10:42, 4 Jul 2006 (UTC)
- It looks like their licencing is not good, especially clause 4.1(d) -
You may not attempt to build a copy of our data or reverse engineer our processes.
source - http://www.petrolprices.com/tandc.html Bruce89 21:48, 6 Jul 2006 (UTC)
- It looks like their licencing is not good, especially clause 4.1(d) -
- including this information would be great for services that always are up to date, but let's say someone uses a static dump of the US (because it's quite complete), he won't update this dump very recently, leading to false information. but one thing that is generally true in switzerland is that self-service stations tend to be slightly cheaper than serviced ones, also stations on highways are slightly more expensive --blk 12:20, 9 Jul 2006 (UTC)
- petrolprices.com already has this info but based on Google maps. Anyone fancy contacting them? --Dean Earley 10:42, 4 Jul 2006 (UTC)
- The spanish goverment keeps a list of gas prices somewhere in a somewhat hidden web page. This should be researched at some time. Ivansanchez 11:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, fuel prices will change very often, so it's probably not a good idea to put them into the osm database newly each day - who is gonna maintain this and how much data will this generate (remember that the database will keep a history of all the values)? So if someone wants to do this, it seems a clear thing for some sort of mashup, where osm provides the map of the station(s), but the price database and other "display things" should be kept somewhere else. Therefore, I'd vote against any price tags in osm. Tags like: "has usually best price in town" are pretty vague and will be spammed once osm get's more prominent - so that would also be useless IMHO. Ulfl 18:58, 7 July 2007 (BST)
Getting location lists directly
Would any of the companies be prepared to publish their location lists freely? (after all, they don't want you to search for nearby fuel stations in OSM-mobile and find only their competitors) Is it worth asking one of them as a test-case? Ojw 12:46, 24 Jun 2006 (UTC)
- I wrote Total, BP, Shell and Carrefour in France. I'm waiting for the answers. FredB 22:41, 26 Jun 2006 (UTC)
- Jet in the Nordic region have a download link for all stations at GPS-koordinater för JET-stationer i Norden. hlindhe 16:20, 09 Jul 2006 (UTC)
- is it a problem to import those into OSM (copyright wise - i mean they're making the information publicly available) - if not i'll write a script to insert them. --blk 10:58, 3 Aug 2006 (BST)
- Publically available does not mean free to use. --KristianThy 21:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- i think you should ask JET, if we could use the data under OSM Licence, and put the anser-E-Mail somewhere in the wiki.Sven Anders 12:11, 3 Aug 2006 (BST)
- is it a problem to import those into OSM (copyright wise - i mean they're making the information publicly available) - if not i'll write a script to insert them. --blk 10:58, 3 Aug 2006 (BST)
- Trying to get information for German Fuel Stations. See Fuel Station Data Germany. Sven Anders 14:51, 3 Aug 2006 (BST)
- At the moment: No usefull data avilable Sven Anders 08:34, 21 September 2006 (BST)
- Flying J truck stops in the US and Canada has published their locations' coordinates on the web (decimal degree) in csv format. Additionally, they have an amenity/location list in csv format as well. I'll see if I can uncover their usage policy. Cohort 01:15, 10 June 2007 (BST)
- I haven't been able to find their usage policy by perusing their site, so I sent an email to their PR staff asking about use. Cohort 01:33, 10 June 2007 (BST)
- Update: I've received an initial reply, but they want to do a little research first before making a decision. --Cohort 10:07, 12 June 2007 (BST)
- I haven't been able to find their usage policy by perusing their site, so I sent an email to their PR staff asking about use. Cohort 01:33, 10 June 2007 (BST)
Opinion
I'll vote against this, see why : [1] --Bartv 08:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Again with the Park&Ride - I think I'd have to disagree with you on fuel stations. Tagging these would be at least as useful as tagging churches. Both are easily recognisable in finding your way, and if you are in a vehicle - knowing where a fuel station is might actually be particularly useful. It's no surprise that most fuel stations are included on maps in most sat-nav systems. Richard B 09:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Bartv, your free 'not' to use this tag. That doesn't mean others also should not. Ben. 18:16 18th December 2006 (UTC)
Tweety 11:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC) : I definitely go with Richard B. I would like to see all those Point Of Interest in our Database. This means I'm voting positive for this Proposal.
I agree with the proposal, but am wary of all the new keys needed for fuel types; If it's decided to store fuel types and restrictions (unsure if I approve), could we not use a comma/space separated list, like fuel=biodiesel, biogas, octane_95? or re-use k:note, k:class? -- Johndrinkwater 00:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- I am not quite sure what we are voting for here, if it is for an amenity=fuel, I approve this proposal. MikeCollinson 03:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC) I thought this was already part of the standard set? On adding a whole bunch of new key tags, fuel_diesel etc, I'd be wary of polluting the name space too much. I like the suggestion for a fuel=comma separated list though I think I've seen an argument that there should be one value per key?
This has had much discusion and been here a long time. Is it time for a vote? Ben. 18:16 18th December 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to know if the real name of the petrol station should be captured. For example, "Princes Service Station" is an Esso petrol station near me. What is its 'name'? Lorp 13:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- It can be added under the name= key. Ben. 18:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to see some more information on the type of things sold. This is mainly because there are many Stations which have LPG or CNG only, nothing else. So it's important to clarify that.
On some fuel stations you can only pay with a credit card or membership card and there is no personnel. It's more a vending machine. Often those are the fuel gas stations where no other fuel is sold.
- Can someone propose a key/value for that? Is it a vending machine then?--blue* 20:27, 5 August 2007 (BST)
Vote
Before there is any voting could someone please clarify what is being proposed, in a nice simple clear manner such as proposal is for tag = value ? Dmgroom 19:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- I believe it would be useful to vote for or against adding amenity=fuel as a standard key. If this is approved, let's deal with the detailed tagging separately. --KristianThy 13:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)