Humanitarian OSM Team/Working groups/Technical/meeting 2015-01-12
Tech WG Meeting Monday, Jan 12, 2015
People present (lines said)
- dodobas (97)
- BlakeGirardot-hc (81)
- Cristiano (34)
- mkl (19)
- russdeffner (15)
- maijin (14)
- skorasaurus (10)
- Conflict with Training WG Meeting Times
- Russ - Adjusting one or the other by an hour should fix the conflict
- 2nd Monday should be rare conflict
- Training WG will get a 1 hour cap when there is a conflict.
- AGREED: Tech WG, monthly, 2nd Monday of the month, 17:00 UTC.
- Sysadmin Report
- Using waffle.io for issue triage works well
- 2 OPW interns, Nitika and Jessica
- A few new developers
- And good "motion" in the TM repository.
- HOT Exports needs developer time (ruby on rails)
- HOT Exports is mainly a space issue and was not intended to be an archive of data
- There are plans to move hot-export service to the main HOT server (at the moment it's hosted on geofabrik infrastructure)
- Installed HOT moodle LMS service
- Blake gave a little report on moodle, we like it is the short version.
- Geonode set up didn't go as planned :)
- There are problems when you try to use a geoserver instance which is not installed on the 'localhost'
- geonode is Python/Django service for managing geodata
- mkl will put dodobas in touch with someone who set up the example below that also faced the same or similar issue
- LINK: http://ebolageonode.org/ Geonode example
- Main HOT server is working without any mayor issues, there are still enough resources.
- The only 'small' problem is openatrium.
- For some reason it's very memory hungry.. and over time it will consume most of the server resources, and a simple service restart 'fixes' the issue
- Traffic Stats for LearnOSM and other HOT websites
- LINK: http://piwik.hotosm.org
- dodobas said we could potentially use the existing piwik server which tracks exports and inasafe
- A quick review suggests it would fit our needs exactly.
- AGREED: To test out the piwik code on LearnOSM
- ACTION: Blake will add the tracking code to the LearnOSM pages
- ACTION: dodobas will handle the piwik server config to start tracking the data from LearnOSM
- New Project Manager for OAM Introduction
- Christiano Giovando will be heading up the relaunch of the OpenAerialMap project
- Christiano comes to HOT with an extensive background in UAV and aerial image workflow having already worked collecting aerial imagery both in the private and humanitarian sectors since 2007.
- The initial goal for OAM is to create a working prototype by July.
- Christiano has already planning and outlining to meet that goal
- Christiano will start community outreach with the existing Google group for OAM and go from there.
- TM2 Longer Term Planning
- AGREED: Moved to next Tech WG meeting
- Next Tech WG Meeting
- Feb. 9th, 2015 (4 weeks)
- #hot IRC at 17:00 UTC
Meeting ended at 18:33:04 UTC.
- Blake will add the tracking code to the LearnOSM pages
- dodobas will handle the piwik server config to start tracking the data from LearnOSM
Links mentioned in meeting
- LINK: https://hackpad.com/TWG-Meeting-01.2015-Tentative-Agenda-MeBF1sV2xmo
- LINK: http://moodle.dev.hotosm.org/
- LINK: http://openbadges.org/
- LINK: http://openatrium.hotosm.org/
- LINK: https://groups.google.com/a/hotosm.org/forum/#!forum/openaerialmap
Jan 12 18:01:44 dodobas: hi everyone
Jan 12 18:02:01 dodobas: anyone here for the Tech Working Group meeting ? :) 01.2015
Jan 12 18:02:41 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: ping
Jan 12 18:03:04 BlakeGirardot-hc: Hola
Jan 12 18:03:17 russdeffner: hello, I'll be lurking
Jan 12 18:04:00 dodobas: ok, anyway, maybe someone checksin later
Jan 12 18:04:21 BlakeGirardot-hc: Agenda is here:
Jan 12 18:04:22 BlakeGirardot-hc: https://hackpad.com/TWG-Meeting-01.2015-Tentative-Agenda-MeBF1sV2xmo
Jan 12 18:04:31 dodobas: we are 'restarting' monthly TWG meetings...
Jan 12 18:04:55 dodobas: last one was held in September last year
Jan 12 18:05:39 dodobas: maybe I should start with my report if noone else wants to take the floor ?
Jan 12 18:05:45 russdeffner: dodobas - regarding the Monday conflict with Training WG...
Jan 12 18:06:11 dodobas: russdeffner: yes ?
Jan 12 18:06:14 russdeffner: I think if we just adjust one or the other by 1 hour, we should be fine
Jan 12 18:06:26 russdeffner: i.e. 2 hour difference
Jan 12 18:06:46 skorasaurus: ping
Jan 12 18:06:54 dodobas: russdeffner: yeah, it should not be a problem, also second Monday of the month works too...
Jan 12 18:06:58 dodobas: hi skorasaurus
Jan 12 18:07:01 russdeffner: I would really prefer not to push the TWG back an hour
Jan 12 18:07:01 dodobas: hi Cristiano
Jan 12 18:07:14 Cristiano: Good morning everyone!
Jan 12 18:07:16 dodobas: TWG as in training or tech ? :)
Jan 12 18:07:32 russdeffner: dodobas since the Training WG is every other week, it won't work
Jan 12 18:07:38 russdeffner: oh, yes Training
Jan 12 18:07:44 russdeffner: is what I meant
Jan 12 18:07:56 BlakeGirardot-hc: It wont conflict very often I don't think with every other?
Jan 12 18:08:21 dodobas: russdeffner: ok, we can work around it... it's not a big problem
Jan 12 18:08:21 BlakeGirardot-hc: If it was second monday, adjust by 1 hour, then basically never
Jan 12 18:08:26 russdeffner: no, and we could just cap the Training WG meet at 1 hour when it conflicts?
Jan 12 18:08:34 BlakeGirardot-hc: Thats a great idea
Jan 12 18:08:40 russdeffner: rather than change time?
Jan 12 18:08:50 BlakeGirardot-hc: I like the 1 hour cap once in a while
Jan 12 18:09:20 russdeffner: Ok, so let's just cap the Training WG at one hour when they fall on same day
Jan 12 18:09:43 russdeffner: dodobas - so up to you for Tech WG, 1st or 2nd of month
Jan 12 18:10:00 dodobas: russdeffner: ok...
Jan 12 18:10:08 Cristiano: Is there a page that shows the schedule of all working groups?
Jan 12 18:10:16 russdeffner: not yet
Jan 12 18:10:21 Cristiano: Or an ical?
Jan 12 18:10:21 BlakeGirardot-hc: (I am taking these meeting notes just for practice by the way)
Jan 12 18:10:34 dodobas: so... after the last TWG we started with the issue triaging process for Tasking Manager and HOT Exports
Jan 12 18:10:41 russdeffner: Blake and I will put this on Communication WG agenda
Jan 12 18:10:51 russdeffner: *calendar
Jan 12 18:11:01 dodobas: we had three very productive meetings on Mumble... and coordianted using waffle.io
Jan 12 18:11:28 dodobas: the idea was to tag and prioritize issues
Jan 12 18:11:59 BlakeGirardot-hc: Did we get the sysadmin report?
Jan 12 18:12:00 dodobas: to make planning eaiser
Jan 12 18:13:29 BlakeGirardot-hc: Sorry, I didn't mean to grind things to halt :)
Jan 12 18:13:47 Cristiano: Kate suggested we use Waffle for tracking OAM issues as well.
Jan 12 18:14:16 Cristiano: is it something easy for people to use? I haven't used it yet...
Jan 12 18:15:26 dodobas: eventually we got some 'new' developers
Jan 12 18:15:45 dodobas: (sorry for the big delay, my internet provider terminated connection)
Jan 12 18:16:02 BlakeGirardot-hc: I hate to step back, but was there a sysadmin report dodobas?
Jan 12 18:16:16 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: doing it now :)
Jan 12 18:16:21 BlakeGirardot-hc: Oh sorry
Jan 12 18:16:47 dodobas: there is also OPW project (there is a link in the agenda) and we got 2 participants IIRC
Jan 12 18:17:15 dodobas: both are working on OSM Tasking Manager, and pierre is mentoring them
Jan 12 18:17:59 dodobas: unfortunatly, pierre can make it today.. so he will probably comment on everything related to the TM net time
Jan 12 18:18:00 BlakeGirardot-hc: Do you know their names? As one OPW intern is working on LearnOSM, jessica
Jan 12 18:18:17 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: i can chenk
Jan 12 18:18:20 dodobas: *check
Jan 12 18:18:26 BlakeGirardot-hc: So there are 2 or 3 opw interns?
Jan 12 18:19:14 dodobas: there were a couple interested in the HOT Exports, but no one actually decided to do it
Jan 12 18:19:35 BlakeGirardot-hc: Nitika and Jessica are the two women I know of who are participating in the OPW program with HOT
Jan 12 18:19:39 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: i still have access to the Mentoring site, so I can check after the meeting is that ok ?
Jan 12 18:20:10 BlakeGirardot-hc: Is good with me, just curious as I have been trying to keep an eye out to help any of them if I can.
Jan 12 18:20:49 dodobas: so there some 'motion' in the TM repository, which is good
Jan 12 18:21:32 dodobas: however, HOT exports is highly neglected... we don't have any RubyOnRails developer that can devote time to the project
Jan 12 18:22:10 BlakeGirardot-hc: This is something to mention to Kate and Jessica
Jan 12 18:22:26 dodobas: I've made couple of annoucements on the list about problems and applied fixes
Jan 12 18:22:27 BlakeGirardot-hc: I am not sure Jessica has finalized the project she is going to work on
Jan 12 18:22:53 BlakeGirardot-hc: and I know she is interested in learning more coding than LearnOSM markdown syntax.
Jan 12 18:23:13 dodobas: mainly to problem is disk space, which is currently ok as we no longer generate SQLlite and PostgreSQL dump exports
Jan 12 18:23:59 dodobas: IMHO most 'export runs' (using HOT export lingo) can be deleted
Jan 12 18:24:26 dodobas: because Exports was never designed to be an data archival service
Jan 12 18:24:58 dodobas: but some users are using it like that so we can't enforce job purging policies as intended
Jan 12 18:25:55 dodobas: to sum up, we are ok at the moment, an there are plans to move hot-export service to the main HOT server (at the moment it's hosted on geofabrik infrastucture)
Jan 12 18:26:06 skorasaurus: it's been a really long time since I used HOT exports, but the alternative would be to have them process old pbf files?
Jan 12 18:26:17 skorasaurus: them (end users)_
Jan 12 18:26:43 skorasaurus: which understandibly isn't very intuitive and harder to use than the exports.
Jan 12 18:27:07 dodobas: skorasaurus: yeah, but i also proposed to use EPSG:4326 as the default projection, as users can alwayes reproject it, and there were some complaints
Jan 12 18:27:17 dodobas: hi maijin
Jan 12 18:27:19 dodobas: hi mkl
Jan 12 18:27:25 maijin: dodobas: Hello o/
Jan 12 18:27:26 mkl: greets
Jan 12 18:27:29 dodobas: so that's hot exports
Jan 12 18:28:03 dodobas: i've also installed HOT moodle LMS service
Jan 12 18:28:07 mkl: yea, gathered. what were the complaints again? it makes send to use 4326, that's how OSM data is stored and distributed otherwise
Jan 12 18:28:17 dodobas: http://moodle.dev.hotosm.org/
Jan 12 18:28:27 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: can you report more about it ? :)
Jan 12 18:28:29 maijin: oh
Jan 12 18:28:44 maijin: How can I participate to this?
Jan 12 18:28:45 skorasaurus: moodle? oh my, I haven't used it in 8-9 years ;)
Jan 12 18:29:16 BlakeGirardot-hc: We in the Training WG like it. But it is not trivial to create "courses" it is a fair amount of work.
Jan 12 18:29:25 maijin: dodobas: If you want to quicly deploy apps try https://bitnami.com/stacks
Jan 12 18:29:35 maijin: dodobas: they've got openatrium, moodle and so on
Jan 12 18:29:40 BlakeGirardot-hc: But the benefits should be pretty good, even if we expect a very small set of mappers to actually use the courses.
Jan 12 18:29:41 maijin: just a click and you good to go
Jan 12 18:29:41 mkl: where does the work come in BlakeGirardot-hc?
Jan 12 18:29:55 dodobas: maijin: if you want to report someting wait your turn
Jan 12 18:29:56 mkl: to create courses, i mean...
Jan 12 18:30:08 BlakeGirardot-hc: Generating the actual content for the "courses" youtube videos are common, screencasts.
Jan 12 18:30:12 maijin: dodobas: It's not report :) It's just fyi :)
Jan 12 18:30:16 BlakeGirardot-hc: And designing and illustraing "quizzes"
Jan 12 18:30:30 maijin: dodobas: It's a repository of Virtual machines pre-installed
Jan 12 18:31:10 BlakeGirardot-hc: Plus course planning, but really generating either written or video materials to actually "teach" a topic
Jan 12 18:31:25 mkl: sure. but not more work than just creating the content. i mean, does moodle as a platform make this non-trivial in particular?
Jan 12 18:31:32 BlakeGirardot-hc: No, not at all
Jan 12 18:31:40 BlakeGirardot-hc: No more work than just creating the content.
Jan 12 18:31:46 mkl: gotcha
Jan 12 18:32:02 dodobas: One of the missing features for the moodle platform is OSM auth integration
Jan 12 18:32:21 mkl: is there a relatively easy way to style moodle, like themes?
Jan 12 18:32:29 BlakeGirardot-hc: Which is nice, but low priority to me dodobas
Jan 12 18:32:47 dodobas: there are no (AFIAK) simple Oauth backends, so at the moment you need google login to use it...
Jan 12 18:33:15 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: just saying... maybe a PHP dev can create one for us :)
Jan 12 18:33:49 skorasaurus: (sorry to catch up), these are potential courses to teach new HOT participants a variety of tasks and OSM/HOT concepts (using Task manager, road classification, how to trace, etc)
Jan 12 18:34:33 BlakeGirardot-hc: I think it would be good if the reponse from end users (total number of users) is high, but until we know, those resouces are best elsewhere
Jan 12 18:35:23 BlakeGirardot-hc: Ya, the google log in works fine as does just creating an account on our moodle instance.
Jan 12 18:35:36 mkl: i dont know if we have any PHP developer needs, do we?
Jan 12 18:35:58 BlakeGirardot-hc: I like it a ton though and think it will make a difference to our mapping data quality long term.
Jan 12 18:36:14 mkl: when's the first course?
Jan 12 18:36:15 Cristiano: How does this relate to http://learnosm.org/en/ ?
Jan 12 18:36:35 dodobas: mkl: probably not, but maybe as a 'task' on some general hackthon, .. 'hey we would someone to ... '
Jan 12 18:36:40 BlakeGirardot-hc: At the moment not at all other than it falls to the Training WG
Jan 12 18:36:58 mkl: dodobas: exactly
Jan 12 18:37:35 mkl: Cristiano: i guess i'd see moodle as being interactive, part of a group experience.
Jan 12 18:37:36 BlakeGirardot-hc: Cristiano: At the moment not at all, but TrWG is overseeing it. But anyone could develop a course in conjuction with LearnOSM material.
Jan 12 18:38:15 mkl: i mean, not necessarily part of a group, could be a single learner model. but the value of moodle over LearnOSM, to me, is that you can learn something with others
Jan 12 18:38:40 BlakeGirardot-hc: mkl: I look at it the other way, self-paced, individualized use. But works equally well for either group or individual, just depends on course design.
Jan 12 18:38:49 * dodobas still has something to add to the sysadmin report... Jan 12 18:38:57 Cristiano: OK, got it. What is learnosm built on?
Jan 12 18:39:07 mkl: guess this is more for discussion in the Training Working Group :)
Jan 12 18:39:13 mkl: LearnOSM is gitpages
Jan 12 18:39:27 BlakeGirardot-hc: mkl: The big advantage to moodle for me is identifying motivated mappers and "certifying" their skills with badges + the slight gamification of badges in general.
Jan 12 18:39:45 dodobas: github pages... so Ruby Jekyll static site generator....
Jan 12 18:40:19 Cristiano: I see. I like the badge/certification idea
Jan 12 18:40:50 BlakeGirardot-hc: Cristiano: It connects up with
Jan 12 18:40:51 BlakeGirardot-hc: http://openbadges.org/
Jan 12 18:41:54 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: have you finished your moodle report ?
Jan 12 18:42:02 BlakeGirardot-hc: I have thank you dodobas
Jan 12 18:42:25 dodobas: ok...let me continue
Jan 12 18:42:47 dodobas: I also tried to setup geonode... but :)
Jan 12 18:43:52 Cristiano: I can get you some help on Geonode if needed
Jan 12 18:43:53 dodobas: there are problems when you try to use a geoserver instance which is not installed on the 'localhost'
Jan 12 18:44:25 mkl: likewise, I can connect you with some folks who might have advice
Jan 12 18:44:56 dodobas: it could be possible to install everything on the 'localhost' but that means we can't reuse geoserver for other purposes
Jan 12 18:45:08 dodobas: sepcifically the prolem is authentification...
Jan 12 18:45:36 dodobas: geonode is Python/Django service for managing geodata
Jan 12 18:45:38 mkl: HIU uses GeoNode a lot, so Patrick might have a solution
Jan 12 18:46:04 dodobas: basically a Geoserver API interface
Jan 12 18:46:57 dodobas: but, geoserver needs to check users permissions before it renders a map (of data)
Jan 12 18:47:20 mkl: this is a recent instance http://ebolageonode.org/
Jan 12 18:47:31 mkl: i remember Patrick going into some issues like that, yes
Jan 12 18:47:37 dodobas: and it 'works' only if a user is logged in on geonode and on the geoserver at the sam time
Jan 12 18:47:56 dodobas: mkl: yeah, please help :)
Jan 12 18:48:26 mkl: i can connect you
Jan 12 18:48:41 dodobas: but it's not possible to create users on geoserver ... anyway it's not in the working state
Jan 12 18:49:00 Cristiano: Same here. What is the purpose of the GN instance you are trying to install?
Jan 12 18:49:24 dodobas: Main HOT server is working without any mayor issues, there are still enough resources
Jan 12 18:50:06 dodobas: the only 'small' problem is openatrium
Jan 12 18:51:11 dodobas: for some reason it's very memory hungry.. and over time it will consume most of the server resources, and a simple service restart 'fixes' the issue
Jan 12 18:52:21 dodobas: that's the end of my sysadmin report
Jan 12 18:53:02 dodobas: anyone wants to report something ?
Jan 12 18:53:20 Cristiano: sorry for asking - new here - what is the scope of GN and OpenAtrium within HOT?
Jan 12 18:54:11 dodobas: Cristiano: GN was to be used for data sharing, openatium is a internal tool for the HOT board
Jan 12 18:55:49 BlakeGirardot-hc: The OA tool could potentially be useful outside of just the board, I think (hope) we might still be exploring that use.
Jan 12 18:56:45 Cristiano: Is there an instance ready to use? Is anyone using it?
Jan 12 18:57:09 dodobas: http://openatrium.hotosm.org/
Jan 12 18:57:40 dodobas: skorasaurus: do you want to elaborate 'web traffic stats'
Jan 12 18:58:01 dodobas: ah.. that was BlakeGirardot-hc :)
Jan 12 18:58:07 skorasaurus: yep :)
Jan 12 18:58:11 dodobas: so BlakeGirardot-hc web traffic stats ?
Jan 12 18:58:34 dodobas: we have piwik... http://piwik.hotosm.org
Jan 12 18:58:50 dodobas: which is used for hot-exprts and inasafe documentation
Jan 12 18:59:20 dodobas: other sites are using Google Analytics AFIAK
Jan 12 18:59:30 skorasaurus: would be useful for learnosm.org
Jan 12 18:59:37 BlakeGirardot-hc: I see. We'd like to get something on LearnOSM
Jan 12 18:59:45 dodobas: it's simple to add 'tracking code'
Jan 12 18:59:56 BlakeGirardot-hc: jeff just replied the GA stats go to his account for LearnOSM
Jan 12 19:00:21 BlakeGirardot-hc: But I don't see how to use GA with an account that multiple people have access to.
Jan 12 19:00:44 BlakeGirardot-hc: Oh wait, so we can put piwik code on our learnosm pages
Jan 12 19:00:47 BlakeGirardot-hc: is that it?
Jan 12 19:00:53 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: we could
Jan 12 19:01:09 BlakeGirardot-hc: (I am lookikng quickly at the site you pasted in)
Jan 12 19:01:41 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: an admin (I have an admin account) would need to create a new site on the piwik
Jan 12 19:02:05 dodobas: but... do we use both or just piwik for user tracking
Jan 12 19:02:18 dodobas: what's the use case
Jan 12 19:02:23 BlakeGirardot-hc: That looks like it would do the job
Jan 12 19:02:36 BlakeGirardot-hc: We just want to get some more info about total traffic, which pages
Jan 12 19:03:45 BlakeGirardot-hc: I guess I do not see individual page stats? Or am I just not understaning it in 30 seconds?
Jan 12 19:04:46 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: actions -> page titles
Jan 12 19:05:43 BlakeGirardot-hc: Perfect
Jan 12 19:06:05 BlakeGirardot-hc: You think that is something we could add to LearnOSM pages? Maybe TeachOSM folks would be interested as well.
Jan 12 19:06:43 BlakeGirardot-hc: I can take care of getting the code on the learnosm pages if you could do the work on the pikwik server.
Jan 12 19:06:49 BlakeGirardot-hc: piwik
Jan 12 19:07:14 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: ok, ill get the code...
Jan 12 19:08:13 dodobas: so, maybe Cristiano could introduce himself ?:)
Jan 12 19:09:01 Cristiano: Sure!
Jan 12 19:09:44 Cristiano: I'm really excited to join HOT and work with this community
Jan 12 19:10:20 Cristiano: I've been working in GIS for over 10 years and joined OSM in 2006
Jan 12 19:11:44 Cristiano: In 2007 I started developing UAVs for aerial mapping, and thought there should be a place similar to OSM for putting all the crowdsourced aerial imagery
Jan 12 19:11:59 Cristiano: so, that's when we first started thinking of OAM
Jan 12 19:12:32 Cristiano: there have been several efforts to build one, but for several reasons it never happened
Jan 12 19:13:48 Cristiano: I think today drones/UAVs are becoming the commodities that we envisioned a few years ago and there will be even more aerial data that will become available
Jan 12 19:15:00 Cristiano: not only drone imagery, but of course any sat and aerial imagery collected with different platforms
Jan 12 19:15:27 skorasaurus: welcome Cristiano :)
Jan 12 19:15:43 dodobas: Cristiano: and you were selected as Technical project manager for hot,is that correct? :)
Jan 12 19:15:47 Cristiano: so, I was excited to learn that HOT had won a grant to finally build OAM and I applied to helping do that
Jan 12 19:15:56 skorasaurus: althought it's not a HOT project, you may aso be interested in opendronemap
Jan 12 19:16:01 dodobas: what is you scope of work ? :)
Jan 12 19:16:33 Cristiano: right :) I was hoping Kate was around today to make the introductions
Jan 12 19:16:57 Cristiano: scope of the work is to create a working prototype by July
Jan 12 19:17:24 Cristiano: and I started to outline steps and milestones for this to happen
Jan 12 19:18:14 dodobas: Cristiano: ok, you will probably have more information ready for the next TWG meeting :)
Jan 12 19:18:15 Cristiano: As I understand there is budget in this project to hire developers
Jan 12 19:19:07 Cristiano: For sure, but I am planning to talk to a few of you in the meantime to set up some of the initial tasks
Jan 12 19:19:25 Cristiano: collecting user requirements being the first
Jan 12 19:19:55 Cristiano: Is there something that you recommend for creating a survey other than Google Forms?
Jan 12 19:20:09 dodobas: i have no idea :)
Jan 12 19:20:10 Cristiano: Quick and easy to collect community and users feedback?
Jan 12 19:20:21 dodobas: osm TM is using google forms
Jan 12 19:21:04 Cristiano: OK, I will use that unless of any other suggestion
Jan 12 19:21:33 BlakeGirardot-hc: There is also a google group for this project
Jan 12 19:21:41 BlakeGirardot-hc: But I don't see you listed as a member yet
Jan 12 19:21:55 BlakeGirardot-hc: https://groups.google.com/a/hotosm.org/forum/#!forum/openaerialmap
Jan 12 19:22:36 dodobas: ok, so if no one else has anything to report, this TWG meeting is over
Jan 12 19:22:53 BlakeGirardot-hc: Well, I have the long term TM discussion
Jan 12 19:23:02 BlakeGirardot-hc: But that should go to next meeting
Jan 12 19:23:04 dodobas: we will meet in 4 weeks... same time and place
Jan 12 19:23:28 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: unless mkl has some inputs ?
Jan 12 19:23:52 BlakeGirardot-hc: Well, I think it has to include Pierre, he is the one who told me we need to start having that talk.
Jan 12 19:24:15 BlakeGirardot-hc: As the "new" developers and myself were going off in sort of scattered directions.
Jan 12 19:24:58 BlakeGirardot-hc: Cristiano: Do you have just a few moments after the meeing to chat? I am very into the OAM project
Jan 12 19:25:44 Cristiano: Yes! Please
Jan 12 19:26:20 Cristiano: I just joined the OAM group, we should continue the discussion there then
Jan 12 19:26:29 BlakeGirardot-hc: Ok, cool.
Jan 12 19:26:46 BlakeGirardot-hc: I am pretty excited about it.
Jan 12 19:27:11 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: ok, that's something we should prepare with pierre, so maybe have a short chat once he comes back online ?
Jan 12 19:27:58 BlakeGirardot-hc: dodobas: Sure, I think maybe just pushing it to next meeting agenda might do it as well. But I'll mention it if I see Pierre
Jan 12 19:28:09 BlakeGirardot-hc: Thank you very much for the meeting dodobas
Jan 12 19:28:12 dodobas: also, two OPW participants (Jessica and Nitika)
Jan 12 19:28:20 BlakeGirardot-hc: I'll post summary and log to the wiki if you want?
Jan 12 19:28:47 dodobas: and ... http://pastebin.com/SpGur7WG is the tracking code for piwik... just copy/paste it
Jan 12 19:29:05 dodobas: to the GH issues,as pastebin.com will expire..
Jan 12 19:29:05 BlakeGirardot-hc: Ok, will do, thank you very much for that, I knew you would have the answer :)
Jan 12 19:29:31 dodobas: BlakeGirardot-hc: well, of course, you can paste the log and summary... :)
Jan 12 19:29:39 dodobas: I mean,add it to the wiki
Jan 12 19:29:52 BlakeGirardot-hc: Will do.