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Meeting to discuss Tech topics on Monday 22nd September 2014

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2015-07-06 17:02:47 dodobas #startmeeting TWG 07.2015
2015-07-06 17:02:47 hot_meetbot` Meeting started Mon Jul 6 15:02:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dodobas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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2015-07-06 17:02:47 hot_meetbot` The meeting name has been set to 'twg_07_2015'
2015-07-06 17:02:56 dodobas ha... there we go
2015-07-06 17:03:07 dodobas who is here for the meeting
2015-07-06 17:03:15 pgiraud I am
2015-07-06 17:03:21 russdeffner Just FYI dodobas, the WG calendar says Tech WG is next week - second Monday of month?
2015-07-06 17:04:11 dodobas next week is not possible for me... and i should probably update the WG calendar
2015-07-06 17:04:15 skorasaurus this is tech, right?
2015-07-06 17:04:22 dodobas skorasaurus: yes
2015-07-06 17:04:38 russdeffner ok, I will change that now - just changed the time for all future meeting to 1500
2015-07-06 17:04:55 dodobas agenda is here: https://hackpad.com/TWG-Meeting-07.2015-upFdrwQqO2S
2015-07-06 17:05:08 dodobas not much there...
2015-07-06 17:05:22 dodobas #topic sysadmin report
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2015-07-06 17:05:54 dodobas 10 days ago, HOT openatrium intance was compromised
2015-07-06 17:06:26 dodobas openatrium is a Drupal distribution, really resource hungry...
2015-07-06 17:06:51 dodobas someone placed some files on the server and used it for phishing attacks
2015-07-06 17:07:11 dodobas luckily everything was resolved in two days
2015-07-06 17:07:35 dodobas openatium WAS used by the board, but there was no activiti in the last 12 months
2015-07-06 17:07:59 dodobas we moved all of the documents to GoogleDrive...
2015-07-06 17:07:59 pgiraud because no one knows it exists?
2015-07-06 17:08:10 dodobas pgiraud: it was only for the Board
2015-07-06 17:08:11 pgiraud or is it because it's not useful?
2015-07-06 17:08:46 dodobas and they stopped using it... there is a bit of history around that ...
2015-07-06 17:09:24 pgiraud do the board want to keep the instance available even if they stopped using it?
2015-07-06 17:09:34 dodobas the first openatrium instance was hosted by a Drupal hosting company ...
2015-07-06 17:09:53 dodobas that instance was drupal6 ... on an old ubuntu ...
2015-07-06 17:10:16 dodobas then i was tasked to install a new instance.... on drupal7... butno one really used it
2015-07-06 17:11:19 dodobas do you have any more questions about that ?
2015-07-06 17:11:29 pgiraud nope
2015-07-06 17:12:07 dodobas #topic Wildcard SSL cerficcate
2015-07-06 17:12:07 -- hot_meetbot` has changed topic for #hot from "sysadmin report (Meeting topic: TWG 07.2015)" to "Wildcard SSL cerficcate (Meeting topic: TWG 07.2015)"
2015-07-06 17:12:26 dodobas that was someting that e talked about... but it never actually happend
2015-07-06 17:13:02 dodobas however tyler and kristen started the procedure to obtain http://www.techsoup.org/products/comodo-wildcard-ssl-certificate--3-year-term-%28donated%29--G-49368--
2015-07-06 17:13:18 dodobas which is quite nice for a 3y deal
2015-07-06 17:13:48 dodobas at the moment i don't have too much information, but it has been started AFAIK
2015-07-06 17:13:55 russdeffner great
2015-07-06 17:14:20 dodobas there were other possiblitites, but this one is best for that price
2015-07-06 17:14:31 dodobas any questions ?
2015-07-06 17:14:54 dodobas #topic DNS transfer
2015-07-06 17:14:54 -- hot_meetbot` has changed topic for #hot from "Wildcard SSL cerficcate (Meeting topic: TWG 07.2015)" to "DNS transfer (Meeting topic: TWG 07.2015)"
2015-07-06 17:15:45 dodobas I've managed to get in touch with Kate and start the DNS transfer from her account to HOT (based on Amazon Route 53)
2015-07-06 17:15:48 dodobas but...
2015-07-06 17:15:55 <-- ivansanchez (~ivan@2001:700:300:2121:1bf:73ec:dcb:617c) has quit
2015-07-06 17:16:12 dodobas the transfer was canceled, because Kate did not confirm the transfer
2015-07-06 17:16:37 dodobas i guess she was not been able to access the internet
2015-07-06 17:16:57 dodobas so i need to contact here again, and figure out what to do
2015-07-06 17:17:34 dodobas last message i got from Amazon was ...
2015-07-06 17:17:40 dodobas We weren't able to transfer the domain name. This is because:
2015-07-06 17:17:40 dodobas Max waiting duration for owner responses (6 days) reached
2015-07-06 17:17:57 dodobas we also need to trasfer learnosm.org ...
2015-07-06 17:18:04 dodobas same procedure...
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2015-07-06 17:18:32 dodobas #topic GitHub access/privileges reorganization
2015-07-06 17:18:32 -- hot_meetbot` has changed topic for #hot from "DNS transfer (Meeting topic: TWG 07.2015)" to "GitHub access/privileges reorganization (Meeting topic: TWG 07.2015)"
2015-07-06 17:19:05 dodobas at the last meeting we were discussing what to do with user and privileges on hotosm github account
2015-07-06 17:20:00 dodobas first of all, there are too many owners...=== a lot of potential problems
2015-07-06 17:20:13 <-- CloCkWeRX (~clockwerx@118.211.38.194) has quit (Ping timeout: 480 seconds)
2015-07-06 17:20:28 dodobas like, someone's account gets compromised ... and we are dead
2015-07-06 17:20:41 russdeffner #idea have one or two people who coordinate all owner/permission
2015-07-06 17:20:56 <-- ivansanchez (~ivan@2001:700:300:2121:7d38:9132:53d9:b905) has quit
2015-07-06 17:21:07 dodobas the other issue is that ... at the moment it's not possible to have really fine grained permissions for teams
2015-07-06 17:21:45 dodobas for example, we want users to maintain their repository, who can do what
2015-07-06 17:22:09 dodobas there are only three privileges, Admin, Write and Read for Teams per repository
2015-07-06 17:22:59 dodobas and if we create, for example OSMTM2-admins (with admin privilege) it's not possible to allow that users to maintain OSMTM2-users
2015-07-06 17:23:13 dodobas OSMTM2-users have 'write privilege'
2015-07-06 17:23:39 dodobas by maintain i mean, add/invite users to the OSMTM2-users repo
2015-07-06 17:23:52 dodobas to do that, you need to be an organization owner
2015-07-06 17:23:58 dodobas so that's not good
2015-07-06 17:24:17 dodobas however ... Github is working on https://github.com/orgs/improved-permissions
2015-07-06 17:24:33 dodobas which should allow much more fine grained privileges management
2015-07-06 17:24:53 russdeffner ok, so... maybe we need to have one person from each team/project to be 'owner' until finer management is available
2015-07-06 17:24:53 dodobas and I have 'applied' hotosm organization to test that functionality
2015-07-06 17:26:15 dodobas but still nothing
2015-07-06 17:26:50 dodobas russdeffner: we could do it like that ...
2015-07-06 17:26:53 * BlakeGirardot sneaks in and stands quietly in the back.
2015-07-06 17:27:11 dodobas basically remove everyone, and add to the owners if they complain...
2015-07-06 17:27:17 russdeffner :)
2015-07-06 17:27:27 dodobas until we get new privs. management
2015-07-06 17:28:07 dodobas do you agree with that ?
2015-07-06 17:28:13 dodobas can I do it ? :)
2015-07-06 17:28:13 russdeffner I think another solution would be that 'staff'/tech project managers and Tyler could be the 'owners' and vet anyone who asks for the privilege
2015-07-06 17:28:27 BlakeGirardot I vote yes, do it.
2015-07-06 17:28:32 skorasaurus go for it.
2015-07-06 17:28:42 skorasaurus I'd just run it by the board perhaps first.
2015-07-06 17:28:47 BlakeGirardot It is well worth the trade offs, too many members with privs is an accident waiting to happen.
2015-07-06 17:28:52 skorasaurus true
2015-07-06 17:28:56 skorasaurus go for it now
2015-07-06 17:29:04 russdeffner I'd say 'don't run by the Board' just keep Tyler in th eloop
2015-07-06 17:29:11 dodobas ok, it will happen in the next few days... ill send an email to the mailinglist
2015-07-06 17:29:11 skorasaurus yeah, that would be better russdeffner
2015-07-06 17:29:17 BlakeGirardot I would not run it by the board, you are in charge of that stuff dodobas
2015-07-06 17:29:21 dodobas russdeffner: tyler knos about it
2015-07-06 17:29:29 dodobas BlakeGirardot: YES I AM :)
2015-07-06 17:29:35 BlakeGirardot rawr
2015-07-06 17:29:37 russdeffner ok, great
2015-07-06 17:29:49 dodobas but noone asked if I really want to be... anyway :)
2015-07-06 17:29:57 dodobas moving to pierre ?
2015-07-06 17:30:04 pgiraud yep
2015-07-06 17:30:13 dodobas #topic Tasking manager 2
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2015-07-06 17:30:40 pgiraud so nothing really new here if you read my email sent to the list last week
2015-07-06 17:30:45 pgiraud about the new release
2015-07-06 17:30:58 pgiraud I think the performance are better now
2015-07-06 17:31:28 pgiraud dodobas had several things to fix before it could be deployed but we're good I think
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2015-07-06 17:32:00 pgiraud we'll see tomorrow night during the London mapathon
2015-07-06 17:32:12 pgiraud which I'll attend
2015-07-06 17:32:44 russdeffner great, thanks pgiraud
2015-07-06 17:32:45 pgiraud i'm supposed to meet rekth there
2015-07-06 17:32:54 BlakeGirardot *fingers crossed*
2015-07-06 17:32:55 pgiraud as well as people from MSF and RedCross
2015-07-06 17:33:09 pgiraud BlakeGirardot, are you gonna be there as well?
2015-07-06 17:33:21 BlakeGirardot I wish, I'll be flying to South Dakota, USA
2015-07-06 17:33:32 pgiraud OK
2015-07-06 17:34:08 pgiraud the idea is to figure how the interface can be improved
2015-07-06 17:34:17 pgiraud we'll do some user testing
2015-07-06 17:34:38 pgiraud any questions?
2015-07-06 17:34:40 BlakeGirardot I tried to convey this to rekth
2015-07-06 17:34:45 BlakeGirardot but I don't know I did a good job
2015-07-06 17:34:51 BlakeGirardot I am most interested
2015-07-06 17:35:00 BlakeGirardot in once a project has been selected
2015-07-06 17:35:22 BlakeGirardot how description, instructions, contribute tabs are for people to understand and navigate
2015-07-06 17:35:27 BlakeGirardot for example
2015-07-06 17:35:42 BlakeGirardot from mapping, please go and look at what you should be mapping
2015-07-06 17:35:45 BlakeGirardot type of questions.
2015-07-06 17:36:12 BlakeGirardot I don't know, the linear nature of those, I think is someone non intuitive, but I could be wrong
2015-07-06 17:36:30 BlakeGirardot desc -> instructions -> contrib (now with no instructions showing)
2015-07-06 17:36:52 BlakeGirardot Maybe it is no problem, but any feedback you can gather would help I think.
2015-07-06 17:37:05 BlakeGirardot That was my only comment.
2015-07-06 17:37:38 pgiraud ok
2015-07-06 17:37:54 pgiraud dodobas -> I'm done
2015-07-06 17:40:47 dodobas ok
2015-07-06 17:41:18 dodobas #topic hot exports issue
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2015-07-06 17:41:50 dodobas sverein added it to agenda, seems like 'spatialite' binary is missing
2015-07-06 17:42:04 dodobas that's something I need to checkout
2015-07-06 17:42:54 dodobas frederik (geofabrik) moved exports to a new server, so he might have forgot to install spatialite binaries, or those are not available for the new ubuntu system
2015-07-06 17:43:02 skorasaurus BlakeGirardot: you should meet up with andrewBuck ;)
2015-07-06 17:43:25 dodobas does anone have anything else ?
2015-07-06 17:43:55 skorasaurus BlakeGirardot, I'm about to send out an email to help kick start the HOT tagging email group
2015-07-06 17:43:57 BlakeGirardot I have one follow up on the previous topic when it is appropriate.
2015-07-06 17:44:10 dodobas BlakeGirardot: go ahead,
2015-07-06 17:44:16 skorasaurus dodobas, I can wait to discuss the tagging until later, after BlakeGirardot
2015-07-06 17:44:17 BlakeGirardot skorasaurus: that is great, I will get my one docuemnt organized asap
2015-07-06 17:44:37 BlakeGirardot Mine was just if you dodobas do not want to manage github, I can do it.
2015-07-06 17:44:46 BlakeGirardot didn't mean to dump it on you
2015-07-06 17:45:13 dodobas it not a problem :)
2015-07-06 17:45:37 BlakeGirardot Ok, let me know if you change your mind or we accidently dump something else on you and I'll try and be more aware of that. Thats all for me.
2015-07-06 17:48:50 dodobas skorasaurus: you have somthing for us, or ?
2015-07-06 17:48:55 dodobas do we end the meeting?
2015-07-06 17:49:03 BlakeGirardot I have this for skorasaurus
2015-07-06 17:49:04 BlakeGirardot https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NsYUhEZc3i6j2xdZniEkZFeCJgBD9R9BRliOUcDHrJs/edit?usp=sharing
2015-07-06 17:50:35 skorasaurus one sec.
2015-07-06 17:51:41 skorasaurus nice.
2015-07-06 17:51:50 BlakeGirardot Thank Tom Gertin
2015-07-06 17:51:50 skorasaurus dodobas, not just really for BlakeGirardot
2015-07-06 17:52:05 BlakeGirardot Ya, tagging is probably not techwg interesting.
2015-07-06 17:52:21 skorasaurus https://gist.github.com/3ed8a4e6031c22d21be7 what I have for the an email.
2015-07-06 17:52:30 skorasaurus it's more broader.
2015-07-06 17:53:09 BlakeGirardot Ya, that looks great to me skorasaurus
2015-07-06 17:53:14 skorasaurus and I just updated it a little more.
2015-07-06 17:53:19 skorasaurus if you refresh
2015-07-06 17:53:31 BlakeGirardot Lets let dodobas close this one and I have a few things to ask you skorasaurus
2015-07-06 17:53:37 dodobas #endmeeting
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2015-07-06 17:53:42 dodobas a ha !
2015-07-06 17:54:07 skorasaurus np BlakeGirardot
2015-07-06 17:54:14 dodobas next one... probably Augutst 3rd