Talk:Collaboration with Wikipedia

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Work together with Wikipedia and geonames

Please refer to the Geonames page for the latest information on this potential datasource

My name is also Kolossos at Wikipedia [1]. You can see my work: Wikipedia in GoogleEarth, Geonames in GoogleEarth and place-search.)

The API of openstreetmaps is very nice and I hope it is free, but for better orientation it would be nice to see the positions of many cities. The datas of wikipedia and are free so you can use it, it would be possible for me to give you access to the database of wikipedia-places.

On the other site it would be nice to present the wikipedia-datas over your API, is the a chance to realise that?

we use in the wikipedia only point-datas, so we have a problem with streets, districts, rivers... . Perhaps we can solve this problem with our help. Kolossos 12:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Well sure. You seem to have a good understanding in integrating services like this. I think the biggest problem is that Wikipedia has no support for external data, and long/lat really should be external so that you can change it from a map interface. Other things are that how should you label stuff? e.g. If you look at it's cluttered with places (it's even worse with geonames, but I think they have a sort for relevance.), how do I choose which to show? Erik Johansson 13:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
One more thing is it ok to snap coordinates on a copyrighted satellite image? I think so but don't really knowErik Johansson 13:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
In the wikipedia we can use for external datas templates with weblinks. So we do it with Would it be possible for instance to link River Thames at OSM?
For the revelance I use in geonames the population of a city and in Wikipedia I can use the length of an article. For paths perhaps it is possible to use the length of the path if you have no other informations like categories or speed. My idea is that a fast path like a highway it's more important than a small slow way. Or you use the number of points in the periphery of a path.
For the copyright question I also don´t have really an answer. I think the better way is
Where is the download-page for the software and need I all satellite-image? Kolossos 14:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
You can use the editting interface on front page, or read about it in Editing. Just remmember that it's almost an requirement to do you own survey, i.e. walk around with a GPS recording streetnames (and other metadata). You might want to download a standalone editor e.g. JOSM.
Well lets see if someone uses that for relevance.
In my not so humble opinion the wikipedian way isn't that good, kvalberg is very tedious to use. I'm guessing the best way would be to have a template that includes a free map e.g. OSM. But I really don't want to touch wikipedias lat/long interface, placeopedia does alot better job at that. Do you think the georef templates work nicely? Erik Johansson 14:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
In the german Wikipedia i think it goes good with the templates but I don't know why the english project is not so activ. Kolossos 22:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

This is a very old discussion from 2006. See Geonames for the latest status (" data is probably a derived work of Google Maps and is therefore not suitable for import in OSM" ) -- Harry Wood 23:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Attribution logo / message requirement for Wikipedia

Relating to Collaboration with Wikipedia#Logo requirement...

Do we require "in-image" attribution for map images appearing on wikipedia articles? Do we require a "cc-by-sa" message and/or logo on the image itself?

As with many of these things the license wording doesn't make it clear, and although we can spell out an interpretation (or even just a 'preferred' approach) stipulating size of the text etc, it will be very difficult to get everyone in the OSM community to agree to it. Some of this was discussed in relation to . I shall have to assume that this discussion will not reach any definitive conclusion any time soon, but for the sake of saying "I tried"... let's discuss it here.

My view is... I don't think we should require (or try to require) any "in-image" attribution at all, because although it would be nice, it would mean that our maps might not end up being used there. This is because some people (a small but vocal minority) within the wikipedia community will be easily riled by such things. Wikipedia already makes extensive use of creative commons licensed images without giving any "in-image" attribution. This is because all images on wikipedia get their own image description page, which provides ample space for all the attribution (and promotion) we could dream of. There are already several templates to use for describing the OSM copyright, although actually I came up with my own message which I think gives a good level attribution and promotion to OpenStreetMap. Example here : (maybe I'll adjust the templates) For me this is plenty, and if some awkward OSM people demand that we require more that this, then I'm some sure some akward wikipedia people will ensure that OSM maps never get used on wikipedia.

Another little question is, should we add "in-image" attribution to our maps image which we put on there ourselves? I think the answer is no, because it will not take very long before some wikipedian kicks up a fuss about it and demands to know whether or not this is required. I think any such debates will be counter-productive and would potentially destroy the collaboration, which would mean losing out on the promotion on all those image description pages.

-- Harry Wood 14:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you. (I have a "wikipedia point of view".) The in-image logo wouldn't be good visible in the little thumbnail in wikipedia article. The next step of the user is a click to the description page, where OSM can get so much advertisement as possible/necessary. Many wikipedia autors upload a simple screenshot and add some things for the article (i.e. A future bridge project or "Dresdner Heide" image at the top) the requirement to insert a logo without a tool would handicap this process. To use the word "copyright violation" would stop the process. I believe nobody would delete a osm-image at wikipedia because it has an in-image logo, because there is a big tolerance, but CC-license allowed it to modified the image and so to removing the logo by cropping.
So lets concentrate to productive points. Our image Holborn-viaduct-map.svg is the first OSM-SVG that I see on Wikipedia servers, and I think it's very interesting, because the wikipedia server can render SVG. It could be perhaps a interesting way to optimize/modification the map for an article, but have a chance to updating the image by a script automatically. The file size of over 1 MB is in the moment not so good. The reason is that each letter is an own path. Perhaps this could optimize in future. --Kolossos 17:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

That's an old discussion. These days it's widely accepted that logos are not required, mainly because it says nothing about logos in the license text. I think it's also widely accepted that reasonable attribution does not necessarily need to appear on the map. This has been applied to mobile apps which display a map, but don't want to use up screen space while doing so (it's fine to show attribution on a credits screen and/or splash screen) and for print media if you're using a very small map on a page. It's fine to tuck the attribution away in the credits somewhere. Applying this to wikipedia, it would seem to fit that wiki sites should give plenty of attribution on the image description page (e.g.) , but no need for any in-image attribution. ...Sweeping generalisations and flaky legal interpretations abound. See Legal FAQ for more details. IANAL. -- Harry Wood 23:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Usage of Wikimedia Commons

Auto importing of images from Wikimedia commons is now enabled. See Talk:Wiki/Archive01#Allow use of images from wikimedia commons for discussion details

linking to OSM objects

This may be a little far off, but I could imagine Wikipedia articles being associated with specific objects in the OSM database. Sort of the inverse of the wikipedia=*-tags. The main issue with this is that objects aren't quite guaranteed to persist in OSM (say when merging two ways) -- we'd need some kind of permalink to objects (any idea for a better name?). As an example, one might add a template call {{osm|relation|13288}} to the article wikipedia:de:Europaradwanderweg R1, which might provide a link to Relation 13288 (XML, Potlatch2, iD, JOSM, history, analyze, manage, gpx)(if the resulting page were cached). Robx 08:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Please take a look to:Query-to-map and Example:Elberadweg. I hope it's going in the direction you like. I believe, pairs of key and value in combination with a bounding box are better than ID-Numbers, because they are more long time stable, human readable and can contain more than one OSM object. The biggest problem seems now the stability of OSMXAPI. Perhaps you can participate on this project. --Kolossos 11:29, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I integrated now also Relation into my scripts (only for paths). So you test Relation Europaradweg R1, you only need to click on Submit and than wait a moment. So also the wikipedia could link on OSM-objects. --Kolossos 16:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

News: Maps-Toolserver

See: --Kolossos 21:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Update: Information about the order of the servers and changing of the toolserver-rules. --Kolossos 12:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikimaps extension

I'm a long time Wikipedian and GIS developer. I have posted a note on Meta Wiki about an extension I'm working on, which allows embedding OpenStreetMap and other types of maps (e.g. thematic maps). I'm interested in making my extension work at a high-level of quality, robustness, and optimization so that it is usable someday on Wikipedia. I know there are other efforts and there might be opportunity for collaboration.

Aude 14:29, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

linking to osm for geotagged images

wikipedia provides links to google maps and earth for geotagged images (for example, see this image. would be nice to get osm in there as well. --Richlv 15:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

We can but ask -- Harry Wood 00:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Wikimedia Commons does link indirectly to OSM. For example take the image below; find camera location section; click on the coordinates and pick link next to OpenStreetMap and you get this link. Unfortunately this link only shows the location of this one image. Is there a way to show also locations of other images nearby, as in this link to google? --Jarekt 19:06, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Übersetzung auf Deutsch

Da bald die Integration von OSM in WP ansteht, wäre eine deutsche Übersetzung des Artikels hilfreich. Gruss, --Markus 15:35, 25 September 2010 (BST)

OSM on Wikipedia

Hi there,

Wikimedia Commons has a attribution-/licensing-template for maps that come from OSM: [2]. Maybe this should be mentioned somewhere on this page? Additionally, I think it might be a good idea to mention that uploads should go directly to instead of the local Wikipedias (, etc.) Greetings, --El Grafo 13:29, 16 May 2011 (BST)

The OSM article on Wikipedia

I think that Wikipedia:OpenStreetMap relies too heavily on blog and OSM-attributable content. I've done only a little to help this myself, but it would be helpful for others who are interested to look at how the citation profile for the article could be enhanced. Thanks for considering this. --Ceyockey 15:47, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Commons category

I'm wondering if it would be useful to have a way of declaring that an object in OpenStreetMap is the same as a Commons category. We have Tag:wikipedia to link to Wikipedia articles, but Commons contains things that aren't in Wikipedia because they fail notability. But the existence of a Commons category enables people to verify the accuracy of OpenStreetMap as people can check the data in OSM against Commons photos. I'm thinking perhaps a key like "photo:commons" or "commons" or something like that. Any thoughts? Tom Morris 15:26, 23 September 2012 (BST)

This could be a sensible method of connecting OSM to Commons. Things that don't have a Wikipedia article (e.g. streets) often still get a Commons category. However, I wonder whether it would be possible to parse the Commons category from an existing and tagged Wikipedia link where it exists, like we do with interlanguage links? The Commons links in Wikipedia seem less consistent than the interlanguage links though.
As for the key, I would suggest to avoid "photo". Commons also hosts other media, such as non-photographic images, as well as video and audio files.
Another aspect to consider: Besides categories, Commons also has pages - see Wikipedia:Commons:Paris, for example. Should these be preferred where they exist, or should we limit ourselves to categories? --Tordanik 17:31, 26 September 2012 (BST)
If you use "media:commons=URL" you can use Category, Galleries and single images. Or more simpler "commons=URL" or "url=URL". --Kolossos 19:55, 27 September 2012 (BST)

Okay, I've started using media:commons. This seems like the current best solution to the problem. I've started tagging nodes, ways and relations in London with references to Commons categories. Tom Morris 10:24, 16 October 2012 (BST)

Listing WP articles without georef nor OSM link?

Hi,I used the WP internal map to find all WP articles that already have an geoposition, to enrich the OSM objects with an wikipedia=* backlink. Unfortunatly not all articles have already an geoposition, so I might missed a lot of pages.
So my question is, if you could offer an easy way to find all pages of a location category (e.g. Schwerin), that don't have already an OSM WP backlink? IMHO this would be a nice job for a map action :) --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 18:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)