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Does it really make sense to distinguish craft=floorer, craft=parquet_layer, craft=carpet_layer, craft=tiler

craft=floorer craft=parquet_layer craft=carpet_layer craft=tiler

IMO craft=floorer would be most generic.

/al 05:49, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

At least in Germany, a tiler (e.g. the guy who tiles your bathroom) is a completely different profession than a floorer. --Westnordost (talk) 14:44, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Sub-groups of craft=floorer can be shown by sub-tags, the same way that have been done among other, i.e., craft=carpenter --Skippern (talk) 23:58, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Blacksmith missing?

I think a blacksmith's workplace is missing in this list. --Head 13:28, 5 October 2010 (BST)

It's a wiki, so go on and add it yourself. Mail me if you need help. MaZderMind 11:43, 12 October 2010 (BST)

Repair TV, home appliances, microwave oven, etc?

Existing craft=electrician does not really fit. Which one should be used? Is there one? Can you create one for this purpose please? I don't know how they are called in English. Thanks. --Kempelen 20:56, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I've marked as 'craft=service_center'. Is it proper tag? --Osmisto 10:46, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Had to tag one once, the closest I could find was shop=repair_service, not widely used, but others have already used it. --Oligo 20:27, 1 April 2011 (BST)

In Germany was it 'Radio and Television Technicans' and today it is called 'information Electronics'. Most of them are a part of shop=electronics but there are some without a shop. In my mind we can use a tag like craft=information_electronics in combination with shop=electronics. But I also dosn't know how they are called in english. The crafts repair Television, Radio, monitors, and other electronic components, they build roof aerial, rooftop dish, networks in buildings and more. --Gisbert 12:42, 22 July 2013 (BST)

Repair as opposed to producing

By the definition of the key craft, I find it more focused on places to go to get new stuff produced. Naturally those places also could be able to repair broken stuff of the same kind. How about places where they only do repairs and do not produce new stuff. It should be possible to redefine craft to encompass also repairs. Another approach would be to have yet another tag for repairing, here are two possible

  • craft:repair=bookbinder
  • repair=bookbinder (or repair=book) (or repair=yes)

Here follows four examples of a bookshop with more and more advanced services:


shop=book repair=bookbinder

shop=book repair=bookbinder craft=bookbinder

shop=book repair=bookbinder craft=bookbinder service=publishingoffice=publishing

/Johan Jönsson 14:51, 21 July 2012 (BST)

Clearifying what is a craft

I am not sure if the English term craft has a wider interpretation than the Norwegian translation of it håndverk. In my understanding of the word craft there is a trained profession, where traditionally a master would take on an apprentice in order for the craft to continue. Many of the usages from taginfo suggests that it is used for services that specify what a shop or works are doing (such as craft=carwash/craft=excavator_service etc,) which would fit better under service=*. There are also a lot of duplicates, such as craft=clockmaker/craft=watchmaker, and a lot of narrow specificications, where more generalization on the main craft=* tag could be accepted. For example craft=falles could be craft=handicraft+handicraft=falles (I have no clue what falles is but guess it is a form of handicraft from the picture) - A little more generalization would make it easier for people without a specific knowledge of each single craft to actually use it. See craft=carpenter for a good example of a good main craft tag with lots of sub-specializations documented. I suggest that the title page should be cleaned up, removing almost completely unused, and duplicated values, and try documenting a more specific use of tags that might have various specializations. --Skippern 18:37, 12 September 2012 (BST)

If you take a look at the original proposal you won't find services. In my opinion carwash, excavator_service and similar values don't belong to craft=* and should be removed. --Scai 07:13, 13 September 2012 (BST)
It's also worth noting that some of the values are trades, not crafts. electrician, carpet_layer and plumber are all trades, not crafts. Pnorman 20:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
This use of the word "trade" to mean certain craft-like professions mostly related to the making of buildings is a British peculiarity not common in other English-speaking countries. In simple "international English", a craft is something done by skilled craftsmen or similar, while a trade is almost any business.
As for the other distinctions above, most crafts blur the line between making new custom items and repairing existing items, with only industrial production being its own category. And for mapping purposes it is not important how much is trained skill and how much is just willingness to do the job for money, it can even vary by country for the same craft. And the phrase "service center" generally means a repair subsidiary (possibly outsourced) of an industrial manufacturer (such as Seiko watches), as opposed to a usually brand-neutral independent craftsman (such as the local watchmaker).Jbohmdk 01:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Removing falles and bonfires

Proposing to remove Tag:craft=falles and Tag:craft=bonfires from here, since these "crafts" basically don't exist, and more significantly the tags have never been used in the database. There's a question of process here, which I don't really want to get into, but I do suggest we do the same for any other tags which don't exist. See Talk:Tag:craft=falles

-- Harry Wood (talk) 14:14, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Here's my list of unproper "crafts" to remove:

  • agricultural_engines - so car repair is craft too? constructing engines is industry. you can't make engine by hand.
  • carpet_layer - a service
  • caterer - a service
  • electrician - aservice
  • hvac - service
  • insulation - service
  • locksmith + key_cutter - synonymous
  • metal_construction - same as blacksmith? or is this industry?
  • optician - shop=optician already exist
  • painter - a service, everybody can paint a wall
  • parquet_layer - a service
  • photographer = photographic_laboratory - a service
  • plasterer - a service
  • plumber - a service, BUT it's close to crafting
  • scaffolder - scaffolding doesn't need to be crafted, you can buy it ready to use
  • stand_builder - a service
  • sun_protection - a service
  • sweep - a service
  • tiler - a service
  • tinsmith - some kind of blacksmith?
  • watchmaker - watch is a small clock, right?

Concluding: in my opinion crafting is a traditional proffesion which require hand tools (mostly) to manufacture some goods.
--damndog (talk) 12:51, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I do not mind having this key for tradesmen or professionals that work with their hands, performing a service rather than manufacturing a product. For me, roughly speaking, this key is more or less for professional or establishments offering a service mainly done by blue-collars, while office=* would be for establishments offering a service mainly done by white-collars. If you would prefer them out of this key, what other system do you suggest?
Having said that, I agree that some values could use some cleanup. I agree that craft=locksmith and craft=key_cutter are basically the same thing; craft=agricultural_engines does not seem to fit in this key, as it seems more like a industrial ("constructing") or even office ("planning") work; craft=optician should probably be abandoned in favor of shop=optician; and I would prefer craft=photographic_laboratory on the shop= key.
Virgilinojuca (talk) 21:49, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
I just noticed there is already a shop=locksmith. Then it’s three tags for basically the same thing. —Virgilinojuca (talk) 18:29, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Some of the crafts/services mentioned, like plumber and sweep, would do their trade during a house visit, and not in their own workshop, that way they rather belong under an office=* tag as a contact-point, I still havn't heard about a customer bringing his chimney and fireplace to the sweep. --Skippern (talk) 00:06, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

You are so wrong!

  • repairing cars (properly) is a craft taught at least as thoroughly as carpentry and blacksmithing. It involves lots of specialist tools from special wrenches to giant hydraulic stands and hideously expensive diagnostic computers. Repairing agricultural machinery is similar but also very different, as the agricultural machines are generally larger, have deliberately sharp rotating knives and typically need to be fixed an hour ago because the rain is coming and the produce needs to be harvested before the weather arrives.
  • carpet laying is a craft that happens to be done at the customer site, just like building carpentry.
  • catering is more similar to the other crafts than to a shop, as it involves paying the workshop for sending out skilled waiters and sometimes cooks, as opposed to picking up take-away dinner from a shop. Tools include refrigerated and heated transport containers, plus all the portable parts of a pro kitchen.
  • electrician is a skilled craft, like carpentry, it may be done at the workshop or at the customer site depending on the job at hand. The toolkit is extensive and includes various instruments, wire strippers and cutters, cutting tools for building materials, and protective clothing that can stop 5000V or more.
  • HVAC construction and work is a craft and profession more common in some climates than in others. Like bricklaying it is usually done at the customer site, but advanced HVAC jobs often involve building custom units at the workshop then installing them with additional ductwork at the customer site, just like a carpenter making doors and window frames then installing them. HVAC tools include tools for cutting and bending sheet metal in situ, high precision pressure and air speed instruments, sealed systems for extracting and refilling CFC gasses with no leaks and a full electricians toolkit.
  • insulation is a craft that could be simple installation work, but also the skilled calculation of proper sizing and construction of complex systems of additional drywalls, ceilings etc. to hold it. Specialist tools include machines for blowing loose mineral wool into cavities, special types of saws and knives, plus an assortment of building modification tools.
  • A locksmith knows the whole craft from cutting of keys to installation of locks and assistance with opening doors with no keys, while a key cutter is just a market stall where you hand him one key and get back two after a few minutes. A real locksmith has a miniature blacksmithing workshop (without the furnace) and carries around specially sized tools for cutting precision holes in wood, metal, brick and concrete, as well as lockpicks and the key duplicating machine.
  • metal_construction is a vague phrase that could refer to various crafts such as blacksmiths, iron workers etc.
  • optician as a craft is confusing, and the shop tag seems dominant for this one.
  • painter is definitely a craft like bricklaying. Tools include brushes, rolls, paint mixing equipment, and hazmat suits.
  • parquet_layer is a rather narrow subspecies of carpentry, and only matters if there are lots of specialists that only work in that area.
  • photographer is a person who actually takes photographs professionally, it is more a craft than an art, and it is definitely different from the dying craft of chemically developing negatives, though there is still some overlap amongst practitioners of the two crafts. The photographers main tools are high end Hasselblad cameras, giant flashlights etc.
  • plasterer is a subspecies of bricklaying, though it is done with no bricks. Some plasterers may be painters rather than bricklayers.
  • plumber is a craft, it is one of many crafts mostly done on customer sites rather than in the workshop. Tools are extensive enough they rarely go anywhere without their van with builtin mini workshop.
  • scaffolder is the specialist craft of erecting and removing scaffolds that keep other craftsmen from falling, while not falling down yourself. Buying a pile of mass produced scaffold elements doesn't teach you how to safely stack it 10 stories high and 2 feet wide with no risk to health and safety. Tools include cranes, levels, pulleys etc. plus tools to anchor things into a wall.
  • stand_builder is a specialist mix of furniture carpentry and advertising, though the number of such craftsmen is probably limited by low demand for professionally built stands. Tools involve those of a carpenter, glazier, electrician and painter.
  • sun_protection could be confused with someone rubbing SPF 40 on your back, but I think it refers to makers of parasols, umbrellas, canopies etc. Tools include hammers, screwdrivers and heavy duty needles.
  • sweep is a craft that may not have as much prestige as carpentry, but is nonetheless an established craft with masters, apprentices etc. Their tools include special types of brooms, ladders etc. as well as pollution measurement tools.
  • tiler (roof) is a craft in itself different from others, while tiler (floor, walls) is just a subspecies of bricklaying.
  • tinsmith, coppersmith, goldsmith etc. differ from blacksmiths in the material they specialize in using, and few if any people officially master all of these crafts. However tinsmithing and leadsmithing is traditionally combined with plumbing.
  • watchmakers are trained in working with submillimeter precision mechanics, and may also be goldsmiths - They use really small screwdrivers and pliers and use a magnifying glass. clockmakers are trained in reliable precision mechanics that are orders of magnitude larger and use normal size toold. A watchmaker can fix your Rolex, a clockmaker can fix the clock beneath the Big Ben.

Jbohmdk 03:09, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Renovation works

I can't find a tag for a small company doing renovation works, for example renovating an apartment: replacing floor, insulating, plastering walls and ceiling, painting, renovating electricity and plumbing. What about craft=renovation, craft=renovation_works or craft=all_trades_work? --Oligo (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Your problem is a global problem. In this time crafts get new forms. Many small company does more than one craft.

  • We can tag it in the form craft=painter, carpet_layer, mason, electrican, plumber. In this example, all professions are included, but it is not clear which is the main occupation.

MaZderMind gave me an other kind of alternativ tagging.

  • craft=painter (which is the main occupation)
  • craft:carpet_layer=yes
  • craft:mason=yes
  • craft:electrican=yes
  • craft:plumber=yes

In that example i have seen a painter who makes also other crafts.

When combinations are common, but we can also use a new notation.

  • craft=renovation_works

Then we should also well described in the wiki to use only one expression.

So, in germany, most shoemaker also make are keymaker.

  • craft=shoemaker
  • craft:keymaker=yes

or a keymaker who repair olso shoes.

  • craft=keymaker
  • craft:shoemaker=yes

Im trying to make a update for the preset heritage. Also I try to find pictures to discibe more crafts in the wiki. --Gisbert 08:15, 23 August 2013 (BST)

Emergency service

There are crafter who offer an emergency service (German: Notdienst). Should we tag this? How should we tag this? I noticed that many offer it 24/7. May be this tagging should include such time. For the beginning I am tagging emergency_service=24/7.--U715371 (talk) 23:04, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect Tags

Low usage keys I found on TagInfo --AndiG88 (talk) 19:27, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Wrong Spelling

  • confectionary => confectionery
  • plummer => plumber
  • taylor => tailor

Very similar

  • gardening => gardener
  • welding => welder

Additional crafts in Germany I couldn't find a tag for

Shall I add them to the list,... or what is the process for that?

Usually I look at TagInfo and see if anything has been used and google a bit. But doesn't look like it. I also would just create a wiki page, but not list it.
  • Exterminator - Seems fine to me --AndiG88 (talk) 15:20, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Usually pest control in UK. SK53 (talk) 11:40, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Landscape architect - craft=gardener exist, but I'm not sure how clear the distinction is. Also is this actually a craft? We also have office=architect and the German wiki site also says you get this with a engeering degree.
  • Very distinct from gardener & landscape gardener is different again. SK53 (talk) 11:40, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Should make sure we get the right BE word for it. Drywaller gets the most google results, but the Wiki page says drywall mechanic. There is also still the question if we should use sub categories for craft=carpenter e.g. carpenter:drywaller=yes, although there are already many individual tags in use. (Proposal, Mailinglist...)--AndiG88 (talk) 15:33, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Drywall in the UK is called plasterboard, so the term is already not en-gb :-). Playing around with a few terms, it appears to be called drylining or dry lining in the UK, and the usual term for the person who does it is a fitter (a fairly generic en-gb term used across a number of trades/crafts, and mostly preferable to mechanic which is in many cases en-us). This leads to two suggestions drylining_fitter or plasterboard_fitter. A halfway house would be drywall_fitter. (Britain has dry stone walls which are constructed by wallers so there is some scope for ambiguity here). HTH SK53 (talk) 11:40, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Generic icon or a simple dot for craft?

Craft - as office as well - are unfortunately not rendered at all in OSM map. Wouln't it make sense to get a generic rendering, e.g a simple dot as for some shops, with the name of the business? Hugi99 (talk) 10:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Generic Icon? Mobile Business?

Many crafts-persons offer only mobile service: they come to your car to fix glass or to your home to install floors. They may list a local address, usually their home. OK? Also rendering support would help a lot. 17:11, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

dressmaker vs. tailor

The definitions of dressmaker and tailor should be clearer to distinguish. I think a dressmaker is specialised in festive female dresses, a tailor is not necessarily specialized, but if, then in anything else.

Basstoelpel (talk) 11:34, 19 September 2015 (UTC)