Talk:OpenStreetPhoto

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Potlatch

Sounds good - because Potlatch can't access your local filesystem I've never been able to add photo mapping features, but this might provide an answer. Would be interested in seeing how it progresses (especially if I can give you an AMF API too ;) ). --Richard 10:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty stupid, but what is an AMF API? We do want to implement a native Potlatch connection as part of the alternative API server project. --Skinkie 18:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
With some help on osm-dev: AMF. --Skinkie 18:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Photosynth?

Microsoft's Photosynth is based on an open source (GPL) image recognition library (can't find the link at the moment). It would be really great to provide a free alternative to this, though it would be a considerable amount of work. The prerequisites (making a viewer, porting the image recognition stuff) would make a great Google Summer of Code project though. Bitplane 14:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

It is Bundler, and yes will will extend that with a specific geographical short cuts :) --Skinkie 14:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Gigapan

Please take also a look at http://gigapan.org/ where the resolution of the images taken by lowcost cameras are very high and the parameter of geocoding are advance (view a panorama in Google Earth). So it should be possibble to make aerial views from church towers, with a great tripod, a quadrocopter and so on. --Kolossos 15:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Some Ideas from Talk-de

  • Using the photos in a routing application at crossings etc.
  • Save also the direction of view (North, East etc.)
  • Provide a slippymap with markers for the photos

--John07 19:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

The original plan (also discussed in respect to Elphel development work was to enhance the Elphel webinterface with tagging facilities. The Elphel camera has a compass and GPS module. Likewise for our quadcopters. So we (in general) should know all known parameters per photo, if unknown we might recover them using the Bundler algorithms. I am still thinking about providing some sort of WMS layer with (normal) photos where based on zooming you can see more details. --Skinkie 01:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Law

In which countries can ortho photos by armateurs be taken? is it necessary to obtain permissions? would be important for the success of openstreetphoto. --Alexm 13:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

For The Netherlands, my private company is granted to make aerial imagery. It was the quickest way before the Dutch OpenGeo Foundation was set up, we will probably ask if more people are interested in the quadcopter community before resubmitting a request. Basically anyone that has a good reputation can be granted, but it has to be explictly mentioned by name. Some area's require explicit permissions, this includes some area's in Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Den Helder etc. because there are major military structures.
I have heard from Simone, Italy doesn't have any requirements for flying; so you must check it at your local government. --Skinkie 01:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Non-Ortho-Photos

Shall OSP also cover non-ortho-photos for example pictures of streetsigns etc. as they are gathered when doing photo-based mapping? --Alexm 13:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

This was the second idea, can can be found in our SIFT part. So yes; it should cover *any* photo coverage with user generated content. Perferably automatically annotated and georeferenced with respect to other imagery. --Skinkie 01:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Originally I thought street-level photos was whole idea. OpenStreetPhoto would be some sort of storage repository for mapper's street sign photos (as Richard says above, it would be cool to hook #Potlatch into something like that) and/or an open version of google streetview (but more simplistic like norc.ro). I think these are areas with some potential. It's more of a "gap in the market".
But no. openstreetphoto.org says "This money will be used primarily for the development of low cost aerial photography, a refinement of the Bundler algorithms and the setup of a business model around cheap UAVs, such as Mikrokopter.".
Obviously there's loads of work to do in that area too, but open licensed aerial imagery already has a home over at the excellent OpenAerialMap. This is even available already for sketching over in JOSM and Potlatch. The OpenAerialMap wiki is under-developed, but has the start of some ideas around Data Collection Systems baloons/drones UAVs and likes. I'd suggest adding lots of information on that website about the QuadCopter development work.
-- Harry Wood 11:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

If OAM would reply to my emails and allow other licences then it can be hosted there, currently the material we are targetting is fourty times better than the best commercial offer, and I want it under CC-BY-SA for the average end user, and CC-BY for paying, read: compensating, users. --Skinkie 00:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Turns out the guy behind OpenAerialMap, Christopher Schmidt, didn't have the time & energy to continue with it, and struggled to get help with development and hosting difficulties. I find this surprising because he'd made great progress with building a working system, which was integrated into OSM editors already. License issues was one of the main reasons for shutting down actually.
There is still a page on the OAM wiki for developing ideas around a new version (including the idea of accommodating multiple licenses). It would be good if people from OpenStreetPhoto would put their heads together with him (and whoever else is on that discussion) to work out a way forwards, or at least look at using his working code. The OpenAerialMap domain name is much better suited to this purpose too I reckon.
-- Harry Wood 13:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

How to get people involved

  1. We need a way to distribute large photos easily. Since bandwidth costs maybe scripts and bittorrent could be used here?
  2. Once we have a way to distribute photos people can start experimenting with different cameras, cars, GPS antennas, etc. and feel that they are doing something useful since their work can be seen by others
  3. Once we have a pool of geotagged photos we can get programmers interested in trying to do automated street sign detection etc. on the data. Without a pool of data the motivation to code something is much lower.

(Lindi and people on #osm.fi)

What to do with photos?

ok, i've been working on taking large numbers of street level photos for my surrounding area, and am about ready to start taking photos, geo-coded, directional-coded, etc.

before i do, is there any infrastructure yet to use them?

has any work been done on what data is needed, beyond lat, lon, ele and bearing?
myfanwy 11:10, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

is the project still alive?

Hi, I've been interested in a project to store the photoes I take while mapping OSM, for future use. Now, I've managed to geotag the pictures using gpscorellate, uploaded them to your FTP, but I still can't see them on your map. I can find noone on the IRC, and the blog is mainly about RC helicopters... Is somebody still working on the geotagged image storage idea, or this part of the project is dead? --Jekader 09:52, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll reiterate this question ... Is OpenStreetPhoto still alive and kicking?

  • I have successfully connected to the ftp server, created a directory and uploaded a photo. However, I'm not able to see the directory listing for the photo, likely because I am not able to login under a non-anonymous username. My single image upload (~650K image of a residential subdivision entrance sign) was done using the standard ftp anonymous login method. It appears that my OpenStreetMap login is not active on the OpenStreetPhoto file system (I am not surprised), but I do not see a method for soliciting for an OpenStreetPhoto-specific login.
  • Thanks for the input. The other system I have tried recently is OpenStreetView, but there appears to be no statement of the intent to directly interact with OpenStreetMap there except as a consumer of the slippy-map, and I also there have not figured out how to retrieve images that I've uploaded nor a way to assign an image to a coordinate without it first having had an EXIF header geo-tag.

--Ceyockey 19:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Yesterday I checked their slippymap, and found the photoes I've uploaded there! Anyway, that slippymap is not usable rigth now, for the three following reasons:
  • Only the netherlands are rendered, and there is no option to switch to the default OSM mapnik layer
  • There is no permalink function, although permalinks works if the parameters are copied from an OSM URL ()
  • All the image thumbnails are being preloaded for some reason. This results in a huge lag on moving/zooming the map, and even starts to eat gigabytes of RAM in firefox.
So the service isn't dead, but far from perfect. --Jekader 13:40, 12 October 2009 (UTC)