Talk:Proposed features/Appliance Store

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hardware store

It's not hardware store? Could a shop that sells washing machines be put in a hardware shop category? Logictheo 05:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

a hardware store is about iron (nails, screws, bars, ...) and tools (hammers, screw drivers, ...) and similar. --Dieterdreist 11:11, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

shop=electronics?

Is this not covered by Tag:shop=electronics ? -- Harry Wood 13:24, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

No, it isn't, shop=electronics is defined for consumer electronic. This tag is for stuff like washing machines, flattening irons, kitchen tools, ... --Dieterdreist 11:05, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Well I think washing machines are "consumer" items too. But I think I know what you mean. A washing machine is an "appliance", maybe because it's sort of built-in and more industrial strength. Meanwhile you'd be less likely to describe a small radio as an appliance. It's electronics because it's more lightweight. ...or something.
But actually I think both of them can be described as both electronics and appliances. I'd recommend just mapping everything as shop=electronics
-- Harry Wood 17:46, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
maybe you are confusing electronics and electric? Have a look at wikipedia: "Electronics deals with electrical circuits that involve active electrical components such as vacuum tubes, transistors, diodes and integrated circuits, and associated passive interconnection technologies. The nonlinear behaviour of active components and their ability to control electron flows makes amplification of weak signals possible and electronics is widely used in information processing, telecommunications, and signal processing. " Appliances, especially the part that is the "heart" of the device, its main functioning part, isn't electronic, but simple electric current, e.g. a flattening iron, an electric heater. This is not about "industrial strength" vs. delicate devices, the thing is that a washing machine doesn't require electronics to work (even though a modern washing machine might have some electronic controls in it), while a cd-player won't work without electronics. Electronics is about signal processing. --Dieterdreist (talk) 13:08, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Well there's the academic field of study known as a "electronics", which is about electrical circuits and signal processing. Not surprisingly that's what the wikipedia encyclopaedia article describes.
But we're talking about an "electronics shop". And the question is... You want to map a shop which sells nothing but washing machines and fridges. Can it correctly be called an "electronics" shop? I'm saying the answer is yes. Reasonably correct, but you don't seem to believe me.
-- Harry Wood (talk) 14:24, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Can I just chip in here to say that, in my view, an 'electronics' shop would sell, eg. soldering irons, cables, adapters, circuit testers, perhaps some small appliances such as digital cameras or radios. Like Radio Shack in the US. I wouldn't expect to see large appliances (white goods) like fridges or washing machines in an electronics store-- you see these in a different type of shop. I think there's a pretty obvious need for a separate tag. -- SDavies (talk) 08:11, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
I have some more recent follow up thoughts on this (and a change of direction) which I'll add below, but just a note: There is another tag shop=radiotechnics which is maybe a bit weird, but that's the one for shops selling soldering irons, cables, adapters, circuit testers etc. -- Harry Wood (talk) 16:50, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

More fine-grained shop tags

Above I was mostly arguing in favour of including appliance shops in the category covered by shop=electronics, because back then it felt like a good idea to try to keep things contained in a few widely encompassing shop tags. But as I mentioned over on Talk:Tag:shop=hifi, I see the wind is blowing in the direction of a very prolific range of different values under the shop key. As such, this shop=appliance idea seems more reasonable to me these days.

Essentially the argument in favour of shop=appliance these days, is that we now have increasingly fine-grained categories of shop types within the shop key, and we're accepting of overlap between these shop types. As such, appliance ("white goods") shops seem like a relatively important type of shop which should get it's own tag, distinct from shops selling radios and TVs.

The other prompt for this, is that shop=appliance was recently added to iD presets, amid some consternation about those crazy wiki fiddlers who were refusing to document this perfectly logical shop tag (in an IRC discussion today). I realised that I was the crazy wiki fiddler in this case :-)

This proposal was never properly written (as is often the case I find), but I have gone ahead and written out a tag definition at...

shop=appliance

That's following the recent process of documenting any tags people are using willy nilly regardless of proposal status. But the definition may need work, and the idea needs to be gently introduced to the shop=electronics page

-- Harry Wood (talk) 16:50, 24 September 2017 (UTC)