Talk:Proposed features/Nesting Site

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The name of the proposal could be changed to something like "Bird tower" or similar since is also for other species. For example in Portugal we don't have these "Swallows Towers" but we have many for ciconia/storks:

Nesting poles for storks provided by Caceres municipality.
man_made=mast
tower:type=birds_nest
birds_nest=ciconia
capacity=1

Zermes (talk) 10:58, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

--Phoks (talk) 10:21, 5 October 2016 (UTC): Thanks for the feedback and the generalization idea. I'm going to move the proposal site to bird tower.


Other cases

Hi. I remembered other situations: this proposal is for "artificial" towers/masts/poles built by humans and placed specifically for birds, right? And what about other artificial elements like electricity towers or others not intended/or also intended for birds? If these are not in the scope of this proposal, at least the proposal could have some information about other special cases. Here are a few examples:

Special cases

Other examples clearly covered by this proposal

At least I think is covered, and could be added to the proposal examples:

Another reason for including this special cases/examples: this proposal, if I understood right, is also about adopting birds_nest=* tag, right? I've chosen ciconia/storks nests because they are the most visible ones in places I know, and are useful for navigation purposes, like industrial chimneys are in OSM. Of course other big nests are important too. I hope this helps a bit to make a good proposal. Zermes (talk) 13:56, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

--Phoks (talk) 18:30, 6 October 2016 (UTC): Thank you very much again for the input. I used some of the material collected by you for the proposal. After a discussion with my tagging group, we can start the proposal process quite soon, I think.

Species

Why using English common names for birds where the species/taxon for plants are written in Latin language? See Key:species.

For coherence it should be better to use species:en if you want the English common name.

--Nospam2005 (talk) 13:40, 12 November 2016 (UTC)


That's a valuable comment. I am convinced that we should adhere here to the description of the species tag. (Anyway, we don't define species=* ourselves but just use it, hence we should use it as it was defined. ;-) ) --Meillo (talk) 09:39, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

I also say Thank You for the input on the species tagging. I modified the proposal page, so the standard use of species is proposed to be used.

--Phoks (talk) 12:39, 14 November 2016 (UTC)


In scope?

I'm not an expert on tagging schemes but some food for thought:

--Jmkie (talk) 20:12, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment and the links!
* Pigeon houses are not in scope as the tag man_made=dovecote for them exists already. Please see the explanation about that in the proposal.
* Bats were cut out of scope to not let explode the proposal. Because what about "insect hotels" and such? We decided to focus on (wild) birds.
--Meillo (talk) 20:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Meillo (talk) 18:39, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Species 18:56, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I nes this proposal. sorry for coming late. I think the tower:type key is OK, but I have a problem with suggesting man_made=tower as a main tag. Mast is ok, but you haven't provided any photos amongst the lots of photos in this proposal, where the tower tag would be appropriate. Please also note that power towers are not tagged as man_made=tower but as power=tower. I would change my vote to yes if you either remove references to man_made=tower or provide suitable examples when to put this combination. --Dieterdreist (talk) 19:05, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I've added another image that might be more a tower than a mast (it's currently the third image on the page). But I'm not really sure, if this is a tower. Anyway, this proposal only deals with a new value of tower:type=*, so why exclude towers to be tagged with it, but only masts? Should we really be this restrictive? --Phoks (talk) 20:03, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
For me, one of the characteristics of a tower is that is large enough so a human can move or work inside. I doubt that bird towers will ever be so large. --Escada (talk) 04:25, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Phoks (talk) 19:10, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --i had a .sig when sigs were cool (talk) 20:10, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I abstain from voting but have comments I have comments but abstain from voting on this proposal. Same as Dieterdreist, none of the photos are towers, while you suggest the second picture is one. That's a mast to me. You get a yes from me when you clear out the mast/tower confusion.
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Dr Centerline (talk) 23:46, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. Sorry but examining better I came to this conclusion. There is some image in the discussion page which show objects with the same purpose but are not masts or towers. I think the main subject to map is the nest or the nesting site itself and a better mapping is something like man_made=nesting_site and optionally support=pole/mast/tower --sorcrosc (talk) 20:25, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Yvanoé (talk) 17:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Rdell (talk) 21:33, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Scaro (talk) 21:59, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. -- Sorry, In all cases, it is not a mast or tower. At best a pole. You know the definition of a man_made=tower and man_made=mast? The definition of tower is only for communication. The definition of mast is variable, but noever for a pole. See also: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:tower:type !!!

My suggestion: man_made=birdpole ... See also: man_made=flagpole RoGer6 (talk) 20:45, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --looniverse 12:20, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Hufgardm (talk) 13:08, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. -- It seems to me that a 'bird tower' is an observation tower. Not a nesting pole. Foxandpotatoes (talk) 00:22, 2 December 2016 (UTC)