Proposal talk:Industrial

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Text from parallel proposal

Here is the text from a parallel proposal that I started at a similar time which I now suggest we merge. Needless to say, I support the broad proposal. We now need to sort out the detais. PeterIto 22:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Lead

A key to describe many industrial uses for land or buildings.

Proposal

This tag would consist of a long list of values and be used alongside landuse=industrial, building=industrial and possibly man_made=*. This performs a similar to the shop=*, office=* and craft=* tags which provide more detail about the type or retailer (building=retail), or the type of office (building=office) etc.

Likely values

Here are the values already in use according to Taginfo. It seems clear to me that gas and oil probably need more detail, ie 'oil_refinery' and that 'auto_wrecker" and 'scrap_yard' should probably be combined. I would however suggest that people should be encouraged to extend the list in a liberal way.

I'm striking a line through these values as they get included into the main list below.--Martin2014 (talk) 22:03, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


There are about 50,000 areas tagged landuse=industrial, name=* and there is enough information in the name to categorize most of these areas by industry or function, using the key industrial=* . Ill work my way through this data and come up with a list of suggested values for the industrial key that reflects what has already been entered into OSM. It will be a messy list full of duplicates to start with, but Ill try and refine it and include definitions once everything is on the page.--Martin2014 (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_industry

It should be industrial=scrapyard. It's that way in the http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/scrapyard and is more common "scrapyard" inurl:co.uk > "scrap yard" inurl:co.uk
Edit: Thinking about it... industrial=recycling + recycling:cars=yes/no probably makes more sense. See amenity=recycling --AndiG88 (talk) 08:49, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I agree, industrial=recycling could be used to indicate recycling happening on an industrial scale relative to amenity=recycling, (in the same way that industrial=brewery differentiates from craft=brewery) but beyond that use the established 2nd tag scheme recycling:object=yes/no like you suggested. We'd have to define "on an industrial scale" clearly though.
I've only been sketching things out with the list below so feel free to alter things as much as you want, any input is appreciated.
I found it useful to look at the data tagged landuse=industrial with only a name=* as it gives an indication of which tags are needed to account for the industrial sites people are already mapping. A file containing all the landuse=industrial data (landuseindustrial.o5m) can be downloaded here if you're interested. --Martin2014 (talk) 12:31, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Factories

  • factory, factory=paint


  • factory, factory=wood Any factory that processes wood or wood based products. More detail can be added by using the tags below.
  • factory, factory=wood, factory:wood=sawmill (aka lumber mill, timber mill) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawmill "A sawmill is a facility where logs are cut into lumber (American English) or timber (British English)." wikipedia
  • factory, factory=wood, factory:wood=lumber_yard (aka timber yard) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumber_yard "A lumber yard is a location where lumber and wood-related products used in construction and/or home improvement projects are processed or stored. Some lumber yards offer retail sales to consumers, and some of these may also provide services such as the use of planers, saws and other large machines." wikipedia
    landuse=retail (instead of landuse=industrial) could be used if the lumber yard offers retail to consumers.
  • factory, factory=wood, factory:wood=plywood
  • factory, factory=wood, factory:wood=mdf
  • factory, factory=wood, factory:wood=chipboard
  • factory, factory=wood, factory:wood=paper_mill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_mill "A paper mill is a factory devoted to making paper from vegetable fibres such as wood pulp, old rags and other ingredients using a Fourdrinier machine or other type of paper machine." wikipedeia

Does plywood factory overlap with sawmill?

No overlap - most sawmills are distinct from wood product factories. We probably need a more general tag so we don't have different tags for sawmill, MDF, chipboard, etc. Pnorman (talk) 08:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Ive had a go at organising the wood section into a scheme that covers everything in as simple a way as I could, starting with the general factory=wood tag. If that seems about right then it might also be an idea to give factory=food, factory=drink, factory=transport, factory=construction, factory=chemical the same sort of treatment to make the whole list of factories a bit more structured.--Martin2014 (talk) 14:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


  • factory, factory=electronics

Machine shops

If the shop focuses on a particular process use machine_shop:process=*, e.g. machine_shop:process=waterjet or machine_shop:process=metal_plating
If the shop focuses on a particular material use machine_shop:material=*, e.g. machine_shop:material=aluminium or machine_shop:material=plastics
If the shop focuses on a particular product use machine_shop:product=*, e.g. machine_shop:product=shock_absorbers or machine_shop:product=electric_motor_repairs
If the shop focuses on a wide range of products or processes within a particular industry use machine_shop:industry=*, e.g. machine_shop:industry=auto_parts or machine_shop:industry=train_maintenance
If the shop has a wide variety of machine tools and will take on practically any job in any medium use machine_shop=all_purpose
  • for all machine shops description=* can be used to give more detail


Metal smelters

other metal


Refineries

Research facilities, labratories

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory

  • research, research=clean_tech
  • research, research=auto
  • research, research=food
  • research, research=medicine
  • research, research=chemical(petrochemical, plastics?)
  • research, research=biology
  • research, research=physics
  • research, research=military
  • research, research=technology
  • research, research=aero
  • wind_tunnel
  • research, research=space
  • research, research=power (aka high-voltage labratory)
  • research, research=nuclear


food


Aquaculture

see also: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Aquaculture (landuse=aquaculture, aquaculture=* <shrimp | fish | oyster | mussels> 420 uses)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_industry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaculture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_farm


Beverages

craft=brewery and craft=distillery are being used for small breweries and distilleries. industrial=brewery and industrial=brewery for large ones. See OSM brewmap and WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Breweries

parks, centres, estates etc

  • trading_estate

Terminals

I would like to distinguish container terminals from intermodal terminals, so industrial=intermodal_freight_terminal would be likely the choice --Sarchittuorg (talk) 07:15, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
  • gas_terminal "an onshore installation designed to receive offshore gas from tankers or a pipeline" (dictionary.reverso.net)
  • lng_liquefaction_terminal
  • lng_regasification_terminal
  • oil_tanker_terminal


Storage

  • self_storage
  • auto_storage
  • car_impound_lot
  • container_storage storage of cargo shipping / intermodal containers,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_container
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_container_shipping_terminal

What about industrial=depot + depot=container? --Sarchittuorg (talk) 07:15, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


Waste disposal and recycling


Un-sorted

  • printer
  • removals
  • hauliers
  • media
  • media, media=broadcasting
  • film_studio
  • animation_studio
  • telecommunications
  • space_communications (satellite communication/monitoring centre)


  • biotech
  • illumination
  • sanitation
  • security_systems
  • coal
  • coal_gasification
  • tools
  • laundry
  • tyre_yard storage for old recycled tyres
  • lumber_yard
  • graphite
  • animal_quarantine_station
  • ventilation (aka air conditioning)
  • plumbing
  • car_wash


  • wellsite (tag already in use) "this is an oil & gas industry well site"
  • oil (tag already in use) This is a general tag that can be used on any object or area that is known to be part of the oil industry
  • gas (tag already in use) This is a general tag that can be used on any object or area that is known to be part of the natural gas industry
  • gas_works "A gasworks or gas house is an industrial plant for the production of flammable gas. Many of these have been made redundant in the developed world by the use of natural gas, though they are still used for storage space." (wikipedia)


  • highway_maintenance_station
(perhaps highway=maintenance_station would be a better tag for these, there are several hundred of them named in OSM)
  • canal_works


  • boat_yard


  • construction
  • roofing centre
  • sand_gravel_plant (aka sand and gravel washing plant) http://www.cemex.co.uk/aggregatesextractionprocesses.aspx - located next to/in the mine compound?
  • mobile_equipment (aka plant hire)
  • distribution
  • distribution, distribution=postage
  • warehouse, warehouse=drink
  • warehouse, warehouse=food
  • warehouse, warehouse=electrical

Water network

see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_water_treatment

also found in the landuse=industrial, name* data

  • pollution_control_plant
  • desalination_plant (often on the site of a power plant)
  • irrigation_plant


  • fire_rescue


There are alot of "compressor stations" and "pumping stations" in the landuse=industrial, name=* data. according to the Pipeline Extesion proposal they should be tagged like this:

compresssor stations: pipeline=substation, substation=compression, type=gas
pumping stations (I think this phrase usually refers to oil and water infrastructure): pipeline=substation, substation=compression, type=*<oil | water>

What is the appropriate level of detail?

The main questions seems to be one of the level of detail that is encouraged. Does one say 'machine shop', or 'Manufacturer of piston-rings'. There must have been similar discussions about the level of detail to be applied to the 'shop' and 'office' tag. Personally I think we should encourage more rather than less detail but also encourage standardisation (ie to avoid having both 'scrap yard' and 'auto-wrecker'. See above for my discussion and the existing tag values from taginfo. PeterIto 22:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't we should give the taginfo a great deal of weight, when I looked at the existing values of objects with the xapi they didn't seem very consistent. At my last job (occupational health and safety) they had a system for classifying industries, I might see if it gives me any ideas Pnorman 09:22, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Sounds good, however I note that there is a proposed value of 'warehouse'. The building tag already has a type of 'warehouse', so possibly this tag should indicate a bit more about what is being housed? PeterIto 10:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
You could subtag a building=warehouse or industrial=warehouse with warehouse=widgets. As an aside, I haven't had much time to give thoughts to industrial mapping with the rebuild work. I do hope to do a drive through an industrial area with my camera and see what kind of information I can capture to see what we need to be able to tag Pnorman 01:10, 9 April 2012 (BST)
On the page for building=* it already implies that often a plot has several buildings which have different functions, like, for instance, a factory may have its area tagged as landuse=industrial, but have three buildings, one being a warehouse building=warehouse, office buildings building=commercial and the factory building per se building=industrial. Considering this, I think the building=* should indeed point exclusively at what activity is taking place in the building, as noted by PeterIto, instead of outlining the general activity. Note also you can always connect everything with a relation (the area, the buildings, etc.). In this case the industrial=* tag would apply only to specify the activity the company as a whole does, unless of course in a very large industry where they produce different things in different buildings. Anyways I will definitely vote Yes on this one :) --D4RK-L3G10N 16:03, 1 May 2012 (BST)
I was thinking of subtag a building with building=warehouse or an area industrial=warehouse with warehouse=widgets but omitted some words in my last comment. The building=* key would only be for that specific building, but in some cases what is done in the building is all that is done on the site. You can get industrial sites that only have warehouses on them, industrial=warehouse would be for this.
Although nothing in this proposal contradicts or requires the use of a relation I don't think there are many cases where you'd need one since all of the buildings would be inside the area and some simple queries to determine that the buildings lie within the site is sufficient. Relations would only be required when there isn't a clear single site, which isn't common with industrial facilities. The typical example of where a relation is required is a university in the downtown of a city where it occupies buildings which are mixed among the rest of downtown. Pnorman 04:54, 4 May 2012 (BST)
I agree with you, I guess we're pretty much saying the same thing now :D About the relation, I also agree, since I guess it would only be necessary in case in an area which primarily does an activity, there are different buildings, which perform different activities from that area. I guess the most common example for that would be an industry which has in its main building the industrial activity and another building for storage, maybe a third one for offices, pretty much alike a campus which has a library building, classrooms, laboratory, and the office of the dean. --D4RK-L3G10N 20:03, 4 May 2012 (BST)

Results from mapping trip today

I noticed the following businesses in my photos from today. Pnorman 08:06, 11 April 2012 (BST)

  • A vehicle wrap place (graphics for putting on vehicles)
  • a manufacturer of containerboard and cardboard (http://www.cascades.com/norampac/en/)
  • A large offset printing shop
  • A cold storage facility
  • A manufacturer of portable shelters (e.g. tents used for housing peacekeepers in kabul, field hospitals)
  • A distributor of pet health products
  • An electronics distributor
  • The office of a school bus company

Distributors are very common, maybe industrial=distributor then sub-tag with distributor=*?

Isn't distribution a more commercial activity than an industrial one? I don't work with that, but I believe that since they're pretty much reselling an already produced product they're not doing any industrial activity, which implies creating a product from scratch or at least modifying it. --D4RK-L3G10N 20:07, 4 May 2012 (BST)

More from today Pnorman 01:44, 17 April 2012 (BST):

Too detailed for the first subtag level, much is already covered by man_made

Current landuse values (toplevel) are a few, very rough classifications of the use of land. IMHO object classes at the detail level of this proposal (e.g. oil mill) should be tagged with different tags, e.g. man_made=* for the oil mill (and likely for most other here proposed values) or amenity=* etc. I'd rather expect a smaller step in detail for the first level, for industrial=* something like storage and production, or light and heavy industry. --Dieterdreist (talk) 18:36, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Related proposals

Here are links to proposals that either have some overlap with this proposal or are on a similar subject matter and we should be aware of:

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