Discuss please! For reference there is also some discussion in the OLD 2010 proposal page.
1) how much is the tag used at present
2) what are the current use cases for tagging nodes/ways/relations?
- Hi Nfgusedautoparts -- I already added the statistics on the main page to answer question 1. Please have a look at the "taginfo" boxes embedded on the proposal page. For question 2, if you're asking why I suggested it applies to node/area/relation then I guess it's the usual answer: an area is probably the main way to tag these things, although some people may use a simple node for low-resolution tagging ideally to be improved later, and multipolygon relations may be needed for shapes that can't be expressed with a single way.--Danstowell (talk) 17:04, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
not a subtype of a landuse
IMHO a gated community is much more than a residential landuse, very often you will have other landuses there as well (just like any other village). I would see this orthogonal to landuse and use a settlement object (something with a tag place=* with values like hamlet, village or if part of another settlement neighbourhood or suburb) as an area and add an attribute for the restricted access (if you don't like access=private this could also be a new tag). Typically I'd expect a fenced (or walled or both) area (linear feature, closed) and then a multipolygon relation with these barrier-ways as outer members. This multipolygon relation would get the tags to describe the area. --Dieterdreist (talk) 16:29, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Interesting comment about "just like any other village". We often tag villages using a landuse=residential covering the whole village, don't we? We certainly do it HOT aerial mapping, and I think we often do in local mapping too. The wiki page for landuse=residential emphasises that it's OK to have an occasional shop or suchlike inside the area. As I say though, I wrote this proposal based on existing use, and I don't really mind. So Dieterdreist you might suggest something like place=gated_community instead? Does anyone have any further thoughts on whether place=* would seem better than landuse=*?--Danstowell (talk) 17:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- P.S. I found one instance of place=neighbourhood + neighbourhood=gated_community - yet another option! :) --Danstowell (talk) 17:17, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- I agree that gated-ness is orthogonal to landuse, but since the proposal is not "landuse=gated",but "residential=gated", it is perfectly fine. Although I would prefer "residential=gated_community". The subtyping of residential makes sense to me since (to me) gated communities only exist where the landuse is residential. A "gated community" is indeed a social-use contract on the area, because it arises from more than just a gate: it has surveillance, rules, expectations etc.
- I disagree with the use of gatedness on non-landuse=residential objects, and thus the counter-proposal of "gated_community=yes". My disagreement is because the use of "gated_community=yes" on non-residential areas would dilute the modern meaning of "gated community"; for example say you tagged a town, didn't you mean a walled city? or you tagged a building (a fortress?) or a camping ground (hmm). None of those objects would be what I would think of when I hear the term "gated community". Even using the simpler "gated=yes" tag is problematic. We already have "barrier=*" tags for physical gates. But perhaps a much broader tag, e.g. "defended=*" could fill its place. That would be more flexible than "gated_community=yes".
- Anyway, in the regions with which I am familiar, it is residential areas alone that describe themselves as "gated communities" and thus there is a practical mapping value for me in the availability of such a clear tag.
- The only concern I might have with the "residential=gated" proposal is if there were other residential=* tags that would conflict with "gated". I am aware of residential=rural & residential=urban tags, but they are a mistake, and should be replaced by a verifiable tag construction like residential:house_density=* or somesuch.
- Also, as I mentioned before, I think the proposal's name needs adjusting; I think it should be "residential=gated_community" not "residential=gated" because the narrower word "gated" seems a bit too physical. - Dle0 (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2015 (UTC)