Talk:Switzerland/Map Features

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I don't know if it's a good idea to keep the language in English. But I don't feel to be able to choose the primary language. --Andy 23:51, 10 May 2007 (BST)

schwitzerdütsch wär besser. let's keep it english and add what we mean in parentheses in german/french/italian/romanic behind if needed.. people will be able to extend the comment to other languages --blk 18:32, 2 June 2007 (BST)

Does someone have an idea about what information to put onto this page? What's special in Switzerland, our neighbor dosn't have? Studerap 14:42, 17 August 2007 (BST)

  • Mountain postal road ? --Gummibaerli 22:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


classification

The value from Highway are wrong! Motorway and trunk are right. But, primary are blue direction sign with nummer (Nationale Hauptstrasse, Schnellstrassen), secondary are blue direction sign with out nummer's (Hauptstrasse, Umfahrungsstrassen), tertiary are from the normal road with white sings how connect the villiges (and in the villiges from the transit with white sign) (Verbindungsstrasse). In the villiges ale residal the normal sign not unclassified. The unclassified are for small public roads on the same level as highway:service for privat road's, before you beginn with track's. --Bobo11 08:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi Bob, please keep in mind, that tags (and their values) are never wrong, as long as its allowed to add any tags you want to. Do you have any "official" source for your argument? The official swiss map guidelines (from swisstopo) don't differ between Hauptstrassen with number and those without. I've added the residential roads, they must have been forgotten the first time. Maybe you could add the tracks also. raphael 09:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, normal on maps is that a numeric blue sign Route (Hauptstrasse) have a expanded line, than a not numeric blue route. The most maps divrent from minimum 4 type of route (exlusive Motorway and trunk). A withe sign road are never an secundary route (de: Land- und Kreisstraße), this is the wrong point. Withe are tertiary = Verbindungstrasse.--Bobo11 10:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Michael Schäuble has found the the definition about primary roads in the swiss law. He wrote a mail about that, view list archive. raphael 18:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
What's the solution? Keep it as it was before, or use the scheme defined by Bobo11? --Andy 23:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Nobody without opposition my argument, that white sings route are tertiary. Blue singe are primary and/ore secundary. My mind are the most blue singe route are tereterysecundary, only the importend transit route are primery, but only if are don't gife a parallel motorway or tunk. That's a matter of opinion, but a primary route are on the same flow of traffic level with Motorway or tunk. --Bobo11 18:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, we may use this as a rule of thumb. --Andy 01:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


Wood

How to tag wood (Wald).

Most of the wood in Switzerland is managed forest (forstwirtschaftlich genutzt). There are very few natural woods (Urwälder), for example parts of the Sihlwald near Zurich.

The landuse tag indicates what an area is used for. (forest, recreation_ground, ...). The natural tag indicates what is on this land (wood, glacier, ...)

Therefore a ordinary wood in Switzerland should be taged as both natural=wood and landuse=forest. An Urwald has only the natural=wood tag.

See also the talk-de Mailinglist. I will change the Switzerland/Map Features accordingly.

--Mgeiser 18:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not very happy about tagging them with both tags. You can ready why on the mailinglist
-- studerap 09:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The discussion is going into another direction. If we get a consensus we should update this page. So long I don't touch anything. --Andy 20:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Liebe Schweizer, ich finde es ungünstig, wenn wir in der Schweiz andere Attribute für ein und dieselbe Sache verwenden als in Deutschland. Entscheidend ist nicht ob da "Bäume" stehen, sondern ob es sich um Urwald handelt mit natural=wood, oder um forstwirtschaftlich genutzten Wald mit landuse=forest. Ein Wald kann aber nie gleichzeitig sowohl das Eine als auch das Andere sein.

Bei uns in der Schweiz gibt es noch den Nationalpark, der ebenfalls kein Urwald ist, sondern einfach seit vielen Jahren nicht mehr bewirtschaftet wird. Dafür braucht man ein spezielles Attribut. Gleiches gilt für Schutz- und Bannwälder. Da ich Auslandschweizer bin überlasse ich es aber den Einheimischen, die Seite zu ändern. Gruss, --Markus 05:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Da es mittlerweile einen Konsens zu geben scheint, wie Wald zu taggen ist (siehe Tag:landuse=forest und die Diskussion auf der Schweizer Mailingliste), und da es keinen Grund gibt, dies in der Schweiz anders zu machen, werde ich den Abschnitt "Wald" aus den Switzerland/Map Features löschen. Auf dieser Seite sollten bloss schweizerische Taging-Eigenheiten stehen. --Mgeiser 15:04, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

How to tag cycle routes ?

We have a lot of cycle routes in switzerland. It would be great if we can use this: Cycle_routes. What do you think?

Of course we can use this. There is already work in progress: Switzerland/CycleNetwork --Andy 21:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Excellent Thanks. --User:Zapfen

ref Tag for Secondary Roads

"Primary roads without number signs" do have numbers which, however, do not appear on road signs. Do we add them as ref tags anyhow or should we have some tag that gives a "non-posted ref"? -- Partim 08:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Think of the Michelin maps in France. Every road has a number there. That makes orientation really easy. But, as well, on every road you'll find signs/markers which show the road's number. We don't have that in Switzerland, right? --Tmeller 00:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

General driving ban

Hello,

I'm asking for how to map a way with the sign "General driving ban" : http://www.ellgass.ch/catalogue/art_2.01.htm

Should be footway, pedestrian or path with access=no and foot=yes ? Should be other ?

Thanks in advance for any responds. CU Sarge 09:55, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Finally Signal B0.svg => vehicle=no.

mailinglist : http://lists.openstreetmap.ch/pipermail/talk-ch/2010-June/000893.html

CU Sarge 11:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I think I used access=no in this case. Marc Mongenet 19:14, 11 June 2010 (UTC)