Talk:Sydney Cycle Routes
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Getting organised to complete the coverage
The Sydney cycle map is greatly improved over how it was 10 months ago. Arguably it is one of the better cycle maps in existence in terms of accuracy and coverage, but there are still big gaps.
Can you help? Local knowledge is great. NearMap aerial photos cover all of the metropolitan area, and so for places that paint a bike on the road for cycle routes you can find them from NearMap.
Areas that need work:
- Anywhere north of the Parramatta River. With some exceptions (e.g. Kellyville area, Artarmon & Chatswood) coverage is not so good
- West of Strathfield and Canterbury. There have been some great regional routes added (e.g. rail trails) but local route coverage could do with some work
--Ebenezer 03:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Relations instead of tags on ways
The tags like lcn_ref=* are not really how routes are tagged nowadays. It's much better to use relations for the routes. --Eimai 19:28, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
- For routes that have a start and end (rather than just a series of related ways) I'm slowly converting existing routes to use relations. --Ebenezer 19:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- I have added details for how to tag a relation to the main page. Note that most local cycle routes in Sydney are not going to be relations, as they are more "this might be a good road to cycle on, and we have helpfully erected a sign here and printed it on our council's map" rather than "this is the route that gets you from A to B". --Ebenezer 04:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
what is a sydney cycle route?
Just how do you identify a cycle route in Sydney?
To the best of my knowledge, only really one council - Marrickville - has numbered routes and links. The RTA and other councils just mark random bits of road marked as having cycle facilities.
The best thing OSM can do for Sydney cyclists, is to ensure all the shortcuts, cycle links, cycleways etc are mapped, and then intelligently route across them.
If we have no official source of routes, every cyclist has their own idea of the best way between two places. Just check out bikely if you need evidence of this. --inas 23:12, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
- Generally if it has signage it is a cycle route. i.e. Map what is on the ground. Signs are often blue and white, or a white bicycle symbol painted on the road. Few councils have numbered routes like Marrickville, but most councils have routes. Some councils even publish maps of their routes, although what is on their maps doesn't always match what is on the ground. --Ebenezer 04:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
- Clearly not true IMO. These are often just directional signage and don't signify any form of route - often there is just one sign not followed up by any futher indications. We need to be careful, as the Sydney cycle map is now at risk of becoming a mesh of poor cycle routes. As for bicycle stencils, often there is no rhyme or reason where they are printed, rarely actually forming a "route" of any description. --inas 00:28, 7 April 2011 (BST)
B2B cycle route
I think the B2B indication on the relation is supposed to be Bay to Bay Walk. If so, it should be indicated as such, as we don't use abbreviations do we? My understanding of the Bay to Bay walk is that it is Homebush Bay to Botany Bay, and follows much of the Cooks River Cycleway - but doesn't continue to Kurnell. Most of the Bay to Bay signage has now gone, and following it as a complete route would be pretty much hopeless. Cooks River Cycleway is now far the best known name for this route. --inas 00:33, 7 April 2011 (BST)
Sans Souci to Kyeemagh
Again - inclined to tag this City Cycle Route, rather than Sans Souci to Kyeemagh - unless someone can reference a single sign that uses this terminology? --inas 04:43, 16 May 2011 (BST)
