Talk:Tag:leisure=outdoor seating
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Please, translate this site leisure=outdoor_seating from German to English version. Lenochod 14:38 5 March 2016
Why do we need this tag?
It's such a great opportunity to have a choice between amenity=cafe + outdoor_seating=yes and leisure=outdoor_seating + cafe=yes. Is there a discussion about this tagging scheme? --Alexander-II (talk) 13:54, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
- * This grate oppertunity is really confusion an does make no sense in this way.
- * There was a discussion of some people in the German part of the forum. At least it was one person... No further discussion --EinKonstanzer (talk) 19:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- This looks like a great example of how 1 or 2 persons can create an unneeded tag with >20K instances without a discussion. I came across it by viewing a mass edit that violated the automated code of conduct. As the edit was done with the iD editor, I assume that this feature is selectable in that editor. I don't know whether the person who added this to the editor is the same who created the wiki page without any proposal, but either way it took no more than 2 persons to make the tag spread.
- I am less concerned about the amenity=cafe issue than about the unclear distinction to tourism=picnic_site and leisure=picnic_table. A leisure=outdoor_seating may probably contain one or more picnic_table, but a picnic_site may also consist of multiple tables, so what? How does leisure=outdoor_seating differ from tourism=picnic_site + access=customers? This should be discussed and clarified in a proposal before creating the feature page, let alone before adding it to an editor template.
- It's now probably too late to get entirely rid of this tag, but not too late to remove it from the said editor and to start a proposal process on its meaning and to think about how to clean up the mess in the data. --Fkv (talk) 21:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- * Use leisure=outdoor_seating to tag seating areas. To tag a cafe with outdoor seating, use amenity=cafe + outdoor_seating=yes. The location associated with this tag is for the cafe, not the outdoor seating area. --Mizmay (talk) 22:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- * Some public seating areas are not associated with a single cafe. Many are not adjacent. Thus leisure=outdoor_seating is not duplicative. It should be used to tag the seating area. --Mizmay (talk) 22:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- * tourism=picnic_site should be associated with a picnic area in a park, historical site, or tourist attraction, whereas leisure=outdoor_seating is a neighborhood or other public amenity, often in urban areas. Combining the two will not be intuitive to most users. --Mizmay (talk) 22:28, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
outdoor_seating=balkon
Clearly, that tag is inappropriate, as it is in German. Currently, it is used 11 times (See Taginfo), mostly in Germany. Can we change this to outdoor_seating=balcony? --Nohmok (talk) 09:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
- Well... To me it does not sense in this way. The original idea was something different. The intension was a kind of a picnic site in a park, but much more conftable in a manner like outdoor_seating in cafe.
- And sometimes there are beverages or food served. And then the question comes up where are differences to a restaurant with outdoor seating. There is not really a separation of this... --EinKonstanzer (talk) 19:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Complementary tags, optional
I made two new pages for the additional tags weather_protection=* and outdoor_seating:comfort=*.
But I don't know what to do with the rest of this table. I don't understand what most of these proposed tags would mean. What is the point of adding "hotel=yes"? Why is "food=yes" defined as "Limited dining offer compared to indoor dining"? --Jeisenbe (talk) 13:48, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
| Key | Value | Description |
|---|---|---|
| hotel | yes | Hotel; outdoor areas of a hotel (e.g., breakfast / lunch) |
| restaurant | yes | Restaurant; outdoor offer |
| cafe | yes | Coffee shop; outdoor offer |
| pub | yes | Pub with outdoor dining |
| bar | yes | Bar - The area outside |
| beer_garden | yes | Restricted service |
| fast_food | yes | Snack / fast food restaurant - outdoor area |
| food | yes | Limited dining offer compared to indoor dining |
| ice_cream | yes | Ice service; also for ice cream parlors |
But with no seats
What happens when the deck, balcony, terrace, patio is there, but just happens to not have any seats?
E.g., a w:pergola without seats.
Say people just stand around chatting -- they never bothered to install seats. How to tag?Jidanni (talk) 00:13, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
One seat
One seat, it's outdoors, no restaurant nearby, and it's not a amenity=bench, but a seat. How to tag?