Talk:Tag:natural=wood
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Diminishing woods
I've found quite many places, where a thin area (width of 5 to 50 meters) of wood has been left between for example some industrial lots or between residential areas that grew to almost touch each other from opposing directions. No one has presumably ever "maintained" that thin area, but by the definitions once just one dead or dying tree is removed, it ought to be changed to landuse=forest. Or a small patch of wood has been left within a farm field, where it is very doubtful that the trees have been maintained - only ones which have fallen onto the field have been removed.
And a larger wood that borders a residential area but where only those trees that are a potential threat to the houses, should they fall, are removed: to me it would seem silly to draw a landuse=forest of 25 meters width and outside of that an another area with natural=wood. Alv 09:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
- This kind of woods/forrests are also very common in Sweden. They are typically not really "maintained", but rather "contained": Trees are removed if they might fall over nearby houses/roads/powerlines. Maybe we should use natural=wood, wood=contained (just a suggestion, feel free to suggest another way of tagging)? --SamuelLB 17:46, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
- I checked with Swedish Wikipedia here and it says that "natural" wood means that is has been completely untouched for 150 years (the English wikipedia says "undisturbed" for 150-200 years). So I guess "managed maintained" should not be interpreted literally, but rather as "humans have touched it in any way in the past centuries". Which makes sense with the statement that most woodland in Europe is "managed maintained".
Minimum age for a wood
In the densest areas around here, the military presumably cut down a large lookout zone for defence sometime around 1850. Naturally most of that has since then grown back and has only lately been conquered again for building, in slices. To me those remaining areas are "unmanaged unmaintained", but what's others' view on that? Alv 09:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Density of woodland
Many areas that are not 'forests' have large areas of not so dense tree cover, often with housing or farmland mixed in - e.g. trees to shade animals. Maybe we should have a tag to indicate this sort of tree cover. Jamesks 8/01/09
- Agreed. I suggest the following tagging natural=wood, wood:density=sparse. --Glebius 14:45, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Broad_leaved
Changed from decideous to broad_leaved. Usually maps show if woods are coniferus or broad_leaved. For instance, Japanese Larch is coniferus and decideous, European Holly is broad_leafed and evergreen. Also added palm as a third distinction. Unsigned comment by User:Hawkeyes
- Agreed, just evergreen/deciduous is really not appropriate (think, e.g., of tropical forests). Type categories like "broadleaf" and "coniferous" should be added, and maybe also "semi-deciduous". The different types could be combined, where appropriate: "type=broadleaf,semi-deciduous". --Ulf Mehlig 19:01, 3 May 2012 (BST)
- Copied from discussion of landuse=forest:
- Please avoid using type=* (for just about anything). A way with landuse=forest (or, rather, natural=wood) can have other tags which could (but shouldn't, either) also make use of type - and you'd have a conflict. The convention has always been to use descriptive keys wood=coniferous, and, say, leaves=evergreen/deciduous/... Anyway such drastic changes should go through the tagging mailing list at minimum. Current tagging is not like that. Alv 08:20, 3 June 2011 (BST)
- So, maybe better foliage=broadleaf/coniferous, foliage_persistence=deciduous/semi-deciduous/evergreen? --Ulf Mehlig 19:22, 3 May 2012 (BST)
Why not all woods?
Why can't this tag be used for all possible woods, even maintained ones (like natural=tree), similar to natural=water (that can be used for simming pools, even)? That the forest/trees/area hasn't been maintained for a long time seems like it should be a sub-tag. Alternatively I want natural=tree to be able to cover an area... :p No, landuse=forest doesn't cover all other options (and should maybe be orthogonal from use of natural=wood or natural=tree) /Mirar 19:51, 19 May 2012 (BST)
- Because a few people pushed that definition a few years ago and now many mappers have learned the natural=wood vs. landuse=forest distinction as the "right" way to map this. It has always been a bit of a controversial issue, that's why the page has the three "approaches" listed under "Notes". Unfortunately, the first one is still the primary interpretation, despite being the worst choice. --Tordanik 08:45, 20 May 2012 (BST)
