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Ambiguous Pitches

What about rugby pitches with just the 'H' posts and cropped grass at the shared compatible width of 68 metres? Using sport=rugby seems more sane here than sport=rugby_union;rugby_league. --Pink Duck 15:45, 20 September 2010 (BST)

or cases where primary use is for Rugby Union but may also be used for Rugby League, surely plain old rugby works just fine here? --Chris 17:24, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't you tag the main use, rather than both if the secondary use is minor? -- JohnSmith 09:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And how exactly are you supposed to determine that from a muddly puddle with H shaped posts at each end? sport=rugby adequately maps what's found on the ground. --JonS 17:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

The ground is often named with the team, not just a muddy puddle with a pair of H shaped posts at either end. -- JohnSmith 05:38, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Reworking tag articles

I have reworked the articles for rugby, rugby_league and rugby_union making it clear that it is acceptable to use rugby where details are not known which seems pretty reasonable to me. People who are keen on the subject can then enhance the tagging. PeterIto 13:30, 18 June 2012 (BST)

Rugby tag?

I have just checked and the rugby tag has only been used a total 9 times (June 2012). Can I suggest that for simplicity we remove this alternative tagging approach from the article and convert the existing tags to rugby_union/league as required? PeterIto 13:35, 18 June 2012 (BST)

I feel using sport=rugby and rugby=* in combination is actually a better solution because:
  • All Rugby grounds, irrespective of code, can be identified using the single tag.
  • Mappers who neither know nor care which code is played at a ground can still accurately map the pitch
  • Data consumers who don't want/need to differentiate at this level don't need to take into account three different ways of tagging a rugby pitch just to include them all
At the time of my last edit to the page, this was also the most common scheme in use. I also have a suspicion, but cannot substantiate without research I don't have time for right now, that many grounds tagged according to this scheme were changed to using separate rugby_union and rugby_league tags by a single mapper without discussion with the community. I'd say change back to the old scheme, but obviously if others feel differently, I'll go with the consensus.
-- Jonathan Bennett 14:41, 18 June 2012 (BST)
Thanks for responding. I agree that the rugby tag may well be better, however we need to make a clear distinction between established practice and proposed different ways of doing things. Given that this it is mainly an idea at present I suggest that we move it to a new proposal section on the page allowing people to consider using it and discuss it. I have now created that section. PeterIto 14:58, 18 June 2012 (BST)
Just to clarify a point: sport=rugby was in use long before the separate tags. It's not a new proposal, but an attempt to undo the work of a single wiki editor. Jonathan Bennett 15:24, 18 June 2012 (BST)
The way I see it is as as follows: the 'sport=rugby' tag is used where people see a pair of H goalposts over a hedge or on aerial imagery, know it relates to Rugby, but don't feel inclined, or can't find out more detail about which sport. Then there are the sport=rugby_union/league tags, which are used instead where people do know which one it is or where someone converts a previous sport=rugby tag into something more detailed. Separately, there is the rugby=* suggestions (note, not sport=rugby) which is at this point mainly just an idea. Have I got it about right? PeterIto 17:35, 18 June 2012 (BST)
No, sorry, you haven't. If you look at the history of this page, you'll see that plain sport=rugby was in use before User:JohnSmith decided to unilaterally rewrite the rules in this edit. So the original scheme is sport=rubgy plus rugby=* for those who knew and cared about which code was played. Jonathan Bennett 21:09, 18 June 2012 (BST)
OK, so there is agreement that sport=rugby is the tag for where more details aren't available and then there is a disagreement when there are more details available, with two conflicting proposed methods. Personally I am really not that fussed which is used so for now I will add a note to the tag pages explaining the disagreement which ideally needs to be resolved at some point. PeterIto 23:35, 18 June 2012 (BST)