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I replied to the replies. No, I still don't like the new contract. And yes, I did some big imports in czech republic, so... Pavel 16:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Lolcat of awesomeness! I feel all shy now. I think I'll go hide behind a toadstool.

p.s. I'm keen on doing another mapping party in London again some time. Where could we map next?

-- Harry Wood 14:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Me too. Loads to do in East London. East Ham is all streets with no names, and quite a lot of infill around Stratford, etc -- Steve8 16:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Another London mapping event sounds good to me. I don't mind which area. East Ham looks in need (with big sad eyes) Firefishy 16:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)



Situation West of Harrow on The HIll..

Configuration is effectivly 2 fast (S side) and 2 slow(N side) as far as Moor Park.

The Slow lines are the Metropolitan Line local (Watford tracks)

increasing traffic under [Special:Blocked IP addresses and usernames]]

Looking at Special:Blocked IP addresses and usernames it seems the wiki needs a captcha for new account, hm ;-) --katpatuka 19:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

The Fast lines are the Metropolitan (Amersham service) and Chiltern Line (Aylesbury Service) which share the tracks..

Beyond Moor Park (and more spefically the southern junction of the trianlge nr Rickmansworth) there are 2 tracks to Amersham, these are nominaly the Met main line over which the Chiltern Line service runs...

ShakespeareFan00 19:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

South African Railways....


Is this only in RSA or the entire system which used to extend into SA's neighbours?

ShakespeareFan00 00:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Shepherd's bush

Did you come to Shepherd's bush last night. The pub was quite difficult to spot (small front). -- Harry Wood 10:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Nope, sorry wasn't able to make it, was trying to get the Wiki back to speed -- Firefishy 10:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah right. I did a full two and half hours mapping since it was close to my office. I think between us we covered the whole area pretty well. -- Harry Wood 14:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese namespace

Hello, Ed Loach told me that a problem I had with Portuguese translations of wiki pages not showing up in the "Other languages" field has to do with the fact that there is up to now no namespace for this language, and he informed me that you are the person who most likely is able to resolve this. We'd like to contribute with Portuguese (PT) or Brazilian Portuguese (PT_br) translations. Can you help? Thanks! --Ulf Mehlig 17:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Feature Request: DynamicPageList

This could be usefull: The last days, I visited many outdated statistics pages in German namespace. DPL might be a solution for more up-to-date results: Users update eg. street-status on 'city' pages and DPL makes nice overviews on country pages. What do you think? Dirk 2008-12-07

Semantic MediaWiki

On Machine-readable_Map_Feature_list we are working on a machine-readable map feature list. I'd like to test whether Semantic MediaWiki could help to manage map features data consistently on the wiki. A sandbox consisting of an installation of MediaWiki/Semantic MediaWik and a snapshot of the current OSM wiki would be helpful to work on this. What do you think? Gubaer 10:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Found a sandbox for Semantic MediaWiki on Good enough for the time being, don't need a special OSM wiki sandbox anymore. Gubaer 12:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

We've mad some progess toward using Semantic Mediawiki for managing map features. We used the SMW sandbox to evalute SMWs features and to find out about technical limitations (for instance, SMW has a problem with equals signs in page titles). Now, we would like to test our concepts on a dev copy of the current OSM wiki with installed SWM. Does your offer still hold? Gubaer 16:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I'd like to start a discussion on whether and how we could adopt Semantic MediaWiki for gardening map features, the discussion is here. I think the concept is now pretty stable and we have a working prototype. Do you know about other wiki gardeners or sysops we should get in touch with in order to push this forward? Gubaer 08:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Image problem

Hi Firefishy, do you have an idea, why the thumb of Höhenlinie-Projektion.svg
thumb of Höhenlinie-Projektion.svg
is not shown? Or at least have an idea whom to ask? Greetings, -- Schusch 23:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thanks for fixing :-) -- Schusch 07:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

user check

User:Chriscf seems to be abusing edit powers and having unproductive arguments with many users. can you check this out?

Re:UTF-8 problem

Sorry about that. At that time, I was using an old version of Lynx, which does not at all support any sort of Unicode encoding. I'll try to avoid touching those kinds of pages with that browser. --seav 17:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Here's one thing I've noticed, the MediaWiki used by the Wikimedia projects apparently can support non-Unicode browsers by translating all high-bit-enabled characters to numeric HTML entities. I'm not sure if this is an extension or a config option in MediaWiki so you might want to look into that. --seav 04:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Here's the relevant MediaWiki reference for the feature: [1] --seav 04:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
We are using the default MediaWiki $wgBrowserBlackList list. If you have any firm recommendations left me know. Difficultly may be identifying non-UTF-8 enabled versions of Lynx. --firefishy 11:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

increasing traffic under Special:IPBlockList

Looking at Blocked IP addresses and usernames it seems as if the wiki needs a captcha system for creating new accounts, hm!? --katpatuka 19:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Splitting Licenseing Working Group details out from Licensing Implementation Plan

Done! PeterIto 10:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Another great photo

- Harry Wood 16:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely fantastic photo there! --Thomas Wood 23:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

OSM Wiki dumps

Hi there, Im involved in the project of an distributed search engine called . To avoid load I would like to import the OSM wiki similar to Wikipedia dumps. Would it be possible to host such diffs? --!i! 12:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Search: Language namespaces

Until recently, I wondered why I couldn't find any information in the wiki when searching for German terms. I then discovered that the localized namespaces (DE, FR, ES, IT, NL) were not active in wiki search by default. I expect that many users of the wiki won't notice, and even if they do, it requires additional user input to change the namespaces. I know that it is possible to change this using the wiki preferences, but this requires logging in even for read-only usage and may not be obvious for new users. Imo, including the localized namespaces would be a more reasonable default. --Tordanik 10:00, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

+1 --Markus 11:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. There's a MediaWiki setting $wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault which we should probably set to include all the namespaces. I'd say it's worth doing at least as a one-off yes. It's a bit of pain because I guess you have to remember to add to this whenever creating new namespaces, and also this setting only affects newly created and anonymous users - it does not change the settings for existing users. To do that you have to do other jiggerypokery described on the page there. -- Harry Wood 12:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault[NS_LANG_DE] = TRUE;
$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault[NS_LANG_FR] = TRUE;
$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault[NS_LANG_ES] = TRUE;
$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault[NS_LANG_IT] = TRUE;
$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault[NS_LANG_NL] = TRUE;
Already done ages ago, but people who registered prior need to manually change the namespaces they search. Login -> My preferences -> Search
-- Firefishy 14:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


Hi! This great template is unfinished because of no css definitions in MediaWiki:Common.css. Can you add this code below? It's copy-paste from Regards, Yarl 17:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Yarl 09:45, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Namespace RU and templates

Hi! we have the following problem. Templates in the namespace RU include pages, not templates. For example {{RU:Abcd}} includes RU:Abcd but should Template:RU:Abcd. Compare this with templates with prefix Fi: {{Fi:abcd}} includes Template:Fi:abcd. Could you please help us with this this problem. (We have already asked here and here, but recieved no anwer.) Please! -- Zkir 15:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Use Template:RU:Abcd --firefishy 17:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, we use this as a workaround, bat why cannot this issue be fixed radicaly? Also, why it works for Fi: ? -- Zkir 17:58, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
RU: has it's own namespace, while Fi: does not have it's own name space. Template: is acceptable. -- firefishy 08:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Localisation Links in the Left Side Bar

Links in the SideBar with 'not EN' National settings links lead to Main_Page, but must lead to xx:Main_Page Do you know way to localising links in SideBar? May be you can made localisable links for all national, non-english users?
Also neeed to localise other links in Left Side Bar:

'xx:Main_Page' unstead Main_Page 
'Special:RecentChanges/xx' unstead 'Special:RecentChanges'
'RU:Main_Page&uselang=xx' unstead 'Main_Page'
'yyyyyyyyyyyyy' unstead 'Mapping_projects'
'xx:Map_Features&uselang=ru' unstead 'Map_Features'
'xx:Help:Contents&uselang=ru' unstead 'Help:Contents'

Can you fix it for all National pages? --Calibrator 04:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

If you (or someone else) works out how to do it, I am happy to push it live. I unfortunately have other priorities at the moment. -- firefishy 08:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Ok. Where I can find a wiki codes? I'll find good programmers for fixing sidebar links.
Mediawiki source code is availible here. -- Zkir 18:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
In accordance with$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg, it need change only one string in LocalSettings.php file. Never edit DefaultSettings.php; copy appropriate lines to LocalSettings.php instead and amend them as appropriate.
$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg = array();
change to
$wgForceUIMsgAsContentMsg = array( 'mainpage-url', 'portal-url', 'mapfeatures-url', 'helppage' );
Can you do it? --Calibrator 10:18, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
All world wait your help! Change this string please... --Calibrator 12:26, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
OK! All links in Left SideBar works correct and now I need Administrator status group for editing pages in Namespace:MediaWiki (MediaWiki:Portal-url/ru, etc.) Look at my works --Calibrator 11:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

License change process (OSMF vote for Odbl)

Grant, would it be possible to make the crucial vote about the license change to Odbl more prominent on the wiki ? Like making a header announcement on all wiki pages (or at least on the main wiki page) with a link to the page Open Database License and the possible dead time for the contributors to accept the new license (end of Feb 2010 - still depending on the OSMF vote result). Accidentally, we could also add a link to the opinion poll ([2]), giving an additional chance for contributors to express their opinion. -- Pieren 13:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Extensions Request

Any chance we could install the Extension:InputBox. This would enable me to create a number of "create" pages I've been wanting to work on (As part of cleanup and general Wiki gardening) using the Preload parameter. An example is that the Place template links to a page of complicated instructions on how to use the template. This duplicates information in the documentation page for the template and complicates the creation of these pages adding a further layer of abstraction. I believe page like these would be better served as a very short description of when the templates use is appropriate followed by a preload create link for the new page using the template?

I don't believe this extension has caused problems to other Wiki's in the past, it is fairly light weight and is officially stable.

Pretty please.

Martin Renvoize 11:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Enabled -- Firefishy 14:47, 15 September 2011 (BST)

Cheers... not sure i can remember what i was trying to achieve now.. but will take another look some time soon. Martin Renvoize This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 15:06, 15 September 2011 (BST)


Why did you delete this? --NE2 13:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Key:barrier is the correct page. Page was marked for deletion. Can restore if you feel strongly. --Firefishy 13:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
It was a redirect; I got there because I was at Tag:barrier=retaining_wall and wanted the main page about barriers, so I edited the URL. --NE2 13:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


Hi! I'm thinking about import great autotranslate template LangSwitch from Commons, but I need to create MediaWiki:Lang with content "en", MediaWiki:Lang/de with content "de", and so on for every language. Can you do it? How about admin right in this wiki? Yarl 19:05, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

sysop status

Hello, I want to know how I can became member of administrator group of wiki. I have some experience with Mediawiki, with extensions, and I want to participate to clean up of some categories. Regards, --Esperanza 18:27, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Weren't you banned from Wikipedia? :) --NE2 21:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Sysop and bureaucrat status

I would like statude crat and sysop. Thx. --Ervinutz 16:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll be direct. No. Not until you are a bit better known around these parts. -- Firefishy 16:21, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


Regarding Protected "RU:Tag:landuse=military": Counter-productive edit warring ([edit=sysop] (indefinite) [move=sysop] (indefinite)) [3]:

1)For page "Tag:landuse=military" please compare text in English ( ) and protected Russian "translation" ( ).

2)Please make sure: "Tag:landuse=military" have not included into list of Approved features ( , , , )

3)Please make sure: "Tag:landuse=military" have not included into OSM tags list:

--Vctos 10:10, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


Dear Firefishy, were you able to get the sense of the blocked page (it is in Russian)? If not then let me get you to know that there were quotations from Russian laws explaining users that some of their actions (gathering, consolidation, generalisation and transfer of state secret information, incl. on regime (incl. military) objects) may be considered illegal in Russia, to be exact - espionage. Moreover their possible liability was also explained there. Do you realy believe that Russian-speaking OSM users should never know the possible consequences of this activity in Russia before thay start mapping? There was also a link to the voting on the issue on that page - I guess OSM users have the right to know that by the results the majority of the participants voted to recommend not to map landuse=military but map only physical properties of the objects.

--KekcuHa 14:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that warning about illegality of mapping military objects should be on corresponding wiki page, but edits of Vctos were complete nonsense. -- Upliner 16:24, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism of User:Geraldine10

Hi Firefishy, I want to inform you that User:Geraldine10 has done some vandalism edits by injecting adverts to the OSM wiki (e.g. Please consider to block this account. I think you can do this as wiki admin. Have fun! --WanMil 17:32, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Done --Firefishy 20:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


I feel User:JohnSmith's behaviour is bordering close up to vandalism, where he is reverting all attempts of getting progress in tags he have created. I am not sure how to bring this up. --Skippern 00:28, 29 August 2010 (BST)

Hi Skippern, can you post any examples? -- Firefishy 00:46, 29 August 2010 (BST)
shop=dive shop=deli shop=bed etc there are a whole dictionary of shop tags where he is reverting all attempts on edits --Skippern 02:51, 29 August 2010 (BST)
I see. Would you mind raising this with Harry Wood instead? I am too closely involved with the licensing debate with John Smith to comfortably get involved. -- Firefishy 03:09, 29 August 2010 (BST)
Done, with same header. --Skippern 03:53, 29 August 2010 (BST)

Namespace for LB:Luxembourgish (Lëtzebuergesch)

Hi, I was told in the forum, that you can help to establish a new namespace für Luxembourgish... I want some people to translate the WikiProject Luxembourg pages into Luxembourgish. Can you help on that?

Thx and best regards! --Nils Lux 19:28, 9 October 2010 (BST)

Once there are a significant number of pages using the LB: prefix I'll create a special namespace. Until then they are OK under the main (unspecified) namespace. -- Firefishy 15:56, 11 October 2010 (BST)
Can you give me a shot hint how to create the page LB:Luxembourg, if it's missing in the language bar? Thx!--Nils Lux 19:29, 15 October 2010 (BST)
See this. -- Firefishy 19:38, 15 October 2010 (BST)
Sorry, but I couldn't understand that page :-( We have now set up the page LB:Luxembourg, but it´s not integrated via language bar and so we have some problems with categories (e.g. the country template shows "Users in LB:Luxembourg" instead of "Users in Luxembourg". Can you help, so that we can seamlessly integrate luxembourgish translations in the future? Thx in advance! --Nils Lux 13:15, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
LB had already been added to Template:Languages, but not to Template:Languages/Interface. Have done this just, so give it some time to propogate throughout the wiki (takes ages). --EdLoach 08:42, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Delete a page

I'm contacting you as you're the first listed bureucrat.

Please, delete the page 'Category:Region in Spain' as it is empty at all and superseded by 'Category:Regions in Spain'


--Envite 18:36, 28 October 2010 (BST)

done, but in future use the Delete template. -- Firefishy 08:10, 29 October 2010 (BST)

"MapQuest project of the week"

Hi Grant, I can only forward here my private answer to Richard about this:
Hi Richard,
I did expect that my action would be quickly reverted (even faster I must say). It was just a way to protest about some "project of the week". I'm all in favour of the concept when it's a call to improve the map as a whole, destinated to the community worldwide and is advertising some entities and ways to map them. I'm against the concept when it is a call to "please map my backyard" or "improve my region or country" (excepted for humaniterian crisis with a real emergency) or when it is to help/promote a specific commercial data consumer like MapQuest or similar.
For those who read this later, it's about this project of the week -- Pieren 10:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Position of Users

Hi Firefishy,

as start of a "see how other countries map" series, I would like to visualize the Position of mappers on some kind of heatmap. Therefore I would like to get the users that setup their geoposition on their accounts in an anonymous form. So I didn't need any name and the position can be unsharpened for a few kilometers. Would this be possible? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 08:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)


Hi Firefishy,

You seemed interested at a time for a Bittorrent for Planet discussion at Talk:Planet.osm#Torrent. I've made an example and clear (hopefully) instructions how it could be done with minimum of effort, would you be interested in implementing it? It really should be one-time fire&forget, and would be very beneficial. Of course you may be just busy with other things, but it would be great if you'd like to do it or at least leave a comment to let people know your plans. If you turn out not to be interested afterall; could you suggest where would be the best place to try to persuade some of the other admins to implement such feature? I'd put effort to do it in a pinch, but I quite understand that's not a reason good enough to be given server access of such level :). However if there is any effort I can make to make this more possible to happen, just let me know. Thanks, --mnalis 19:07, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I've also made a proof of concept bittorrent implementation at
All it needs now is for someone to copy it to server (in order to avoid delays this implementation has) --mnalis 19:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry to be such a nuisance :) but at the end of last year you indicated you'll give a look at putting those torrents on server (and maybe even seeding from it)... have you perhaps had time to look, or maybe have some estimates when you might be able to? Thanks for your effort! --mnalis 13:21, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Have you perhaps had time to look at torrents for as you indicated you might on Talk:Planet.osm#Torrent? I understand putting up the seeder client and letting it through firewall might be extra job; but if you'd skip that and just add the that one line for mktorrent call after generation of planet-xxxx.osm.bz2, others could take the job of seeding (as they are already doing on my proof-of-concept script). I understand that you're probably very busy, but that one thing at least should not take much effort. Thanks for your consideration --mnalis 22:55, 17 May 2011 (BST)


Hi firefishy - is there any chance to get/block this "blabla jobs"-spammer? Possibly blocking the IP forever (i'm pretty sure, he has a dynamic ip)? (another spam try just some minutes ago ...) Greetings, Schusch 16:47, 29 January 2011 (UTC) or a delay of a couple of days before a new user on the wiki can edit the wiki? you seem to be chasing your tail as they register new accounts and post advertising lists within the hour. --Drlizau 07:18, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Many real people signup to the wiki to make 1 or 2 small quick changes. I have added some regex filter rules to block some more of the spam. We are also now temporarily blocking IP addresses when accounts are blocked. -- Firefishy 22:59, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Power networks/South Africa

I have rendered some maps with Kosmos: WikiProject Power networks/South Africa

It would be great if local residents would add content to this page. --FK270673 10:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


Thank you for deleting RU:Place and renaming RU:Place-старый back to RU:Place.

But, Why did you protect the template? It was supposed to change the code of this template by translating the names of the categories (Category:Place in *). "Category:Place in Москва" looks and sounds a little strange (mix of Latin and Cyrillic).

User:dr&mx who renamed Place to Place-старый (means Place-old) wasn't familiar enough with wiki-engine and decide to make «copy» of RU:Place before changing. He created «a fork» of RU:Place (Template:RU:Местность) with translated category and right now is discussing offered changes on russian osm-forum. --Dnikitin 16:28, 15 April 2011 (BST)

For now, the discussion is still hot, and we need time to cool down. User dr&mx tried to change things in a way that was not accepted by the community, and he failed. If we are to replace all the categories for places to a "Russian way", we have to discuss it first. --Zverik 16:33, 15 April 2011 (BST)
discuss with whom? and where? Not all categories, but only subcategories of "Category:Places in Russia" --Dnikitin 16:51, 15 April 2011 (BST)
With interested members: me, Canabis, maybe others. The proposal for new categories may be good, but there was no clear description of it. I still don't understand what dr&mx intented to do, even after looking at example pages. --17:08, 15 April 2011 (BST)

Please discuss elsewhere rather than my talk page. :-) Maybe here. I intend to keep the template locked for a day or 2. Thanks. --Firefishy 17:22, 15 April 2011 (BST)

more than two days passed. please unlock the page. discussion on the forum is locked too. First, you can check out my code on Template:RU:Местность--Dr&mx 20:47, 21 April 2011 (BST)
Actually the page and the discussion were locked for a reason. I'd let it be that way for a month or so. --Zverik 08:07, 22 April 2011 (BST)
may be a year? you do not know how to negotiate. you simply do nothing. instead of doing something--Dr&mx 09:05, 22 April 2011 (BST)

Abandoned Railroads

Quick question about the mapping of Abandoned Railroads. I guess everyone in the mapping community has a preference on what to map and mine happens to be strictly dormant/abandoned railroads. When I map abandoned railroads, I go all out. This means I don't care how long ago it was abandoned and I don't care if building have covered it for the last 30 years, I still map the abandoned railroad lines. I even map the abandoned spurs that connect to the abandoned lines. I would absolutely love to become a permanent contributor to this site contributing to abandoned and dormant railroad aspect of this site as I have a wealth of knowledge in this area. Problem is I don't know if you guys would allow me to map every single track ever known in the united states. To give you an example of what I mean, please check out my proheject here: so you can get an idea of what I am talking about. Please reply asap so I can know if I should quit my personal mapping project of mapping all abandoned railroad lines/spurs and start working on it here. Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you. --0331 21:39, 18 April 2011 (BST)

Sounds fine to me. Remember what is physically on the ground NOW always has precedence. See for some recent discussion about historical and abandoned infrastructure and making a distinction from 'in-use' infrastructure. Always good to chat to local mappers in your area. RussNelson has a similar interest for New York state, likely a good idea to collaborate with him on tags. -- Firefishy 09:40, 19 April 2011 (BST)

Tile Logs?

Hello, i'm a student of TU-Berlin currently writing on my diploma thesis, which is loadbalancing in Peer to Peer Networks. The practical implementation part will be a P2P-Network of Tile-Servers with a full renderstack (PostGis->Mapnik->Tirex->Mod_tile) on each peer. I will use this Network to evaluate different load measure methods for load Balancing. The Simulation will run on servers of my university. To make these tests more realistic i am looking for real server logs describing which tile (x,y,z) at what time was served. Could you help me finding something like that?

The theme seems also to be interisting for the OSM -Projekt:

Thank you for your help. Best regards Stefan


Hi, can you add page MediaWiki:Portal/pl with content: "Projekty" and MediaWiki:Portal-url/pl with: "Pl:Mapping projects"? Thanks in advance. Yarl 19:01, 9 June 2011 (BST)

about collapsing tables

Hi! How can I make collapsing tables in the wiki?--Dr&mx 18:22, 18 June 2011 (BST)

Straightening out Users in Oregon subcategories?

Hiya Firefishy, I'm a veteran wikipedia user (duff) but I'm new here @OSMwiki (and I'm also a complete newbie to OSM & to tracking), so please allow me to introduce myself ( HI! ) and ask you for clarification of something that may be treated differently here.

Here's the situation: I started a category for "Users in Christmas Valley, Oregon" and I think I got that set up properly as a subcat of Users in Oregon, with myself added to it. In the process of doing so (and to help myself set up CV right), I checked the details of the other Oregon communities listed in the category "Users in Oregon", and found an anomalous category for "Users in Eugene". It's titled "Users in Eugene, OR" instead of just "Users in Eugene". The other Oregon subcategories are titled without the ", OR". To me, it seems that all the categories should be presented similarly, but there may be some good reason not to, of which I'm not aware. There's just one user in that category, User:Cgower. I thought it would be simple to fix, but in doing so, I noted that you have previously deleted a category called "Users in Eugene", so I figured I'd better ask before going any further.

Here's the reference for that deletion:

23:23, 24 January 2009 Firefishy (Talk | contribs) deleted "Category:Users in Eugene" ‎ (content was: '{{delete}}')

Should the other Oregon city/town subcategories have ", OR" appended to them, or should Eugene have the ", OR" removed, or neither of these? Is there a standard for these sorts of things here that I should read? Please advise. Thanks much Arbortender 23:21, 24 September 2011 (BST)

I prefer the ", OR" category. I believe I deleted "Category:Users in Eugene" because it was tagged as unneeded as nobody was using the category. -- Firefishy 11:16, 27 September 2011 (BST)


Dear Firefishy, I undoed your MOBAC cleanup cause the informations are ok. Even if I can understand your (and RIchards) point of view, that MOBAC kills our tiles server, it's not a good practicse to bann informations about this 'evil' tool. This wont make us able to show endusers the hint that MOBAC is bad. Instead we have to solve the problem at the root and maybe block MOBAC (with pointing to alternatives for OSM tiles) but not to restrict informations on the tool itself. --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 07:50, 3 October 2011 (BST)

I created this hint that you might use for suspected tools instead of clearing the whole page, please. Template:KillsTileServers --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 19:58, 3 October 2011 (BST)
Cool. Looks good to me. -- Firefishy 07:52, 4 October 2011 (BST)
Not a problem, I started a discussion at the german forums and on the MOBAC forums, too. --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 07:31, 5 October 2011 (BST)
Hi Firefishy, might you provide us some updated logs, so I can visualise the development of the tile usage, once again? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 15:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Bot account on wiki

Hi Firefishy,

I created a script to do quality control on the cycle node networks as they are implemented in Belgium and Holland (and possibly Germany) from within JOSM.

This script creates a report which I post on the wiki. Maybe it's possible to have the script post it directly instead of me copy/pasting it, as I do now.

It only reports outstanding problems with routes and networks.

I created a page for The Netherlands as well and I might expand it to the walking node networks. Hence the need for a more practical access to the wiki, possibly with a bot account. If you prefer, I can also create a dedicated user for this purpose. That's what I did on Wiktionary as well.

The other thing I wanted to ask, is whether more administrators are needed for the wiki. When I was contributing to, they decided to make me admin there several years ago, so I have some experience. When the Dutch and Spanish Wiktionaries were started I became admin there too. I realize that on this wiki I'm not very much active checking Recent changes. I could change my behaviour, but I think I'm doing a lot of useful work on the map DB itself.

Lately I'm more active on and involved with OSM though. I've learned the ins and outs of JOSM, such that it displays data the way I need it (highlighting nodes with rcn_refs and routes) and I started scripting it with Python.

Soon the Tourism Office of Flanders is going to contribute data about hotels and other touristic amenities. I'll develop a processing pipeline to get it into OSM and subsequently keep it up to date, as well as do quality control and provide feedback upstream if we (the OSM community) find inconsistencies in the data they provide. So that's another report I'd like to be able to post on the wiki.

I also follow the talk, talk-be, talk-nl, talk-fr, talk-de, talk-pe, tagging and josm-dev mailing lists.

Oh, and I managed to convince around 20 people to agree to the ODBL :-) (By sending out messages to all the people who didn't agree yet in Belgium and Holland)

Kind regards,

--Polyglot 21:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Happy to 'bot enable' a new account for you. I think we have enough admins for the wiki for the moment. -- Firefishy 13:52, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for the bot account. No problem for the admin. That was not really all that important. If the pool gets thinner and I'm still around by then, you know where to find a new candidate for the job :-)
Should I create a dedicated account to be the bot account? I update the page and still got a captcha, then went to check the User List in the special pages, but I'm not there yet. So maybe you are awaiting I create a dedicated account? Or maybe I'm simply too impatient. :-) I'm really sorry if it's the latter. Oh, I reread your message. A new account. I'm off to create one now...
The name of the new account is PolyBOT. I'm setting up a user page for it now, with some explanations and a link to this account. Many thanks, --Polyglot 21:39, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Enabled. -- Firefishy 13:16, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Many thanks for that. Now I should find a way to post it automatically, like a true and proper self-respecting bot... Is there an API to the wiki? Is it the same as the one MediaWiki uses? I already tried some time ago, but the MediaWikiBot Python code doesn't seem to run in the Python environment (actually Jython), which runs inside JOSM as a scripting environment. --Polyglot 00:03, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes, OSM wiki has the standard Mediawiki API enabled. API endpoint is: -- Firefishy 10:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
That's fantastic. It's not exactly urgent for me, but I might reimplement some of pywikipediabot in Jython then. --Polyglot 19:42, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Language Template does not work

Hello Firefishy,

I have problems with the language template. At this article DE:User:Tirkon/ODbL-License: How to avoid Trash Mapping you can click on "English". But if you do so you cannot go back to "German". Do you know, why? In Wikipedia I am able to make these interlanguage links work but in OSM the way is different. Thank you for an answer. -- Tirkon 20:56, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, Firefishy :-) -- Tirkon 15:55, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


Hi Grant, can you please estend the donations page as requested here: Talk:Donations? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 08:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of the bessel page

Can you give me a copy of the bessel page?

08:29, 28 September 2012 Firefishy (Talk | contribs) deleted "FOSSGIS/Server/bessel" ‎ (Delete per request of Frederik)

It contained some documentation that I cannot find somewhere else in the wiki. If it is unwanted in the wiki I would like to use it at least for myself on my computer. I would like to avoid to have to compile it again. Tobias Conradi 10:00, 28 September 2012 (BST)

Cleaning up the wiki

Please take part in this discussion :) --★ → Airon 90 12:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Firefishy, any news on this?[4] In the meanwhile, MediaWiki 1.20.0 came out. --Nemo 10:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Translation Project wiki


I am a French user and I noticed that the wiki is mainly in English with some pages in French. After repeatedly requested translation work aurpès Francophone community, it seems that a person who simply lack the time to organize this work.

The lack of translation creates numerous errors with new users who use automatic translators. This lack of translation does not make the wiki as supporting documentation for presentation to public and private organizations.

I do not have a good knowledge of English (I use an automatic translator) but I have the motivation to create, monitor and maintain such a project by recruiting translator from the French Ummah.

For this I need a module to display a banner containing the progress of the work top. This tool can also specify multiple translation if in doubt pending correction.

There is a module used in France Wikipedia:*/Aide/Traduire_un_article

I do not know well the construction of a wiki, but maybe this module should:

This is a module for monitoring the translation of a page can be made ​​available?

--Percherie (talk) 15:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello, the adoption of Translate has already been decided, but so far Firefishy had the time only to do part of the job: MediaWiki has been upgraded but Translate is still not available. See Talk:Wiki_Translation#Translate_extension for background. --Nemo (talk) 09:31, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the information. I did a test with assistance with Google but it is horrible and there are big risk of poor translation. I abandoned that idea and automated module will translate to each according to their level of English. Each communautées using a language other than English will welcome this news with enthusiasm. I'm impatient. --Percherie (talk) 12:39, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I join Percherie, year passed since question was asked. Is there plan to support Extension:Translate in reasonable future? There guide for wiki admins how to migrate wiki. Read Talk:Wiki_Translation#GSoC_2014_proposal_for_page_migration_under_the_Translate_extension for details. Xxzme (talk) 13:33, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Blocked while creating page

Hi Firefishy, when I was going to create a new page I get blocked with the message:

This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Spam bot (main)

Could you please adjust the spam blocker or add a captcha so that I can prove I'm a human beeing? Thanks. --MorbZ (talk) 19:34, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Too similar username

Hi Firefishy, a user is complaigning, that he can't signup for his traditional username at the wiki [5]. What do you say, can we allow him to signup, as IMHO it's not THAT similar? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 10:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Mediawiki's extensions installed in this wiki

Is there a list? — Alexandre Magno (talk) 12:28, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Request for protection of page

The page OpenStreetMap is a social activity is currently the subject of an edit war. I propose to protect the page and re-add the delete proposal template. —M!dgard [ talk | projects | current proposal ] 09:43, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

We badly need Extension:FlaggedRevs or alternatives

Most of the editors here are not native English speakers, but we want stable content in (Main:) namespace i.e. at some of the English pages. At the same time we want to reduce duplication for translators and maintainers. English pages often claimed as main and understood by most translators at this wiki as "target from" to update translations in other languages.

Extension:FlaggedRevs documentation. My POV. Xxzme (talk) 14:48, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

"some of the donated boxen" - 2004?

Hi Firefishy, you were writing ""some of the donated boxen" - 2004?" at - I do think it is 2006 and the camera had a wrong date setting (hence in the EXIF). Compare with the other images and the comments and upload dates at . In addition March 2004 would be before OSM's "birthday" (History of OpenStreetMap). What do you think? --Aseerel4c26 (talk) 22:03, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Revive wiki database dump

Hi Firefishy, do you know if and how/who could revive the dump service of this wiki content - Wiki#Wiki_Dumps_.2F_Export? Thank you! --Aseerel4c26 (talk) 18:19, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I see that is registered by you. I see that [6] says «If you choose to use MapQuest Open tiles (made from OSM data), you can also use the MapQuest Open API». Should perhaps this be updated? MapBox free tier seems more used nowadays, if I'm not mistaken. It would be very interesting to advertise this switch guide to websites using gmaps. --Nemo (talk) 08:53, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

restore File:OSM-new-edit.jpg

Hi Firefishy, could you please restore File:OSM-new-edit.jpg if the file content is still available. (I would like to have available it out of historical interest - linked from File:OSM-new-edit-small.jpg). Thanks!! --Aseerel4c26 (talk) 19:38, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Weird issues with the wiki

Hi Firefishy. I really don't know whom to contact for issues related to the wiki, so please apologize if you're not the right user. I'd appreciate if you point me in the right direction.

I'm having some strange issues with the VisualEditor. Everytime I hit "Edit" I get an alert box that says "(curl error: 7) Couldn't connect to server", if I hit "OK", the same message keeps showing up over and over, if I hit "Cancel" it redirects me to the Edit source page. Investigating further, it seems to be a back-end issue. I don't really use the visual editor btw, but it's nice to have it for really simple edits.

Another issue is that the {{Languages}} tamplate is not working for me, or I can't find out how to get it to show the languages list when I want to translate a new page. Clicking on "Other languages" will just redirect me to the same page. I'm aware I can simply try to create a new translation in the right namespace but the Languages template issue was not present a couple of days ago.

Thanks for any help. --Absay (talk) 00:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

If you translate a page and use the {{Languages}} template without any parameter, it expects that the translated page uses the correct language code prefix (such as "ES:" for Spanish) and that the English page as the same name as the Spanish page. If you've created a translated page using a page title in Spanish, it won't be able to locate the actual English page name: you must provide this English page name. Then fro mthe Egnlihs page name the links to other languages also assume the English title (with just the language code added in prefix): it will not find the new Spanish page if you have created directly with the Spanish title. Normally you create the Spanish page by following the red link shown in the "Other languages" box from the English page: start from it, save, then rename the page to use the Spanish title you want so that it it will create the necessary redirect to the transalted title. So your Spanish page must use {{Languages|English page name}}
  • If you have created the Spanish page with the Spanish title, and did not use the language prefix, you need to rename it first by adding the "ES:" prefix (so that the Language template knows that your page is the Spanish version and not a page in English). This will create a redirect page (from "Spanish name" to "ES:Spanish name") that will normally no longer be needed (unless you've already started to link other pages to your new page without this "ES:" prefix).
  • Now if the page named "ES:English name" still does not exist, create it manually by inserting the redirect to "ES:Spanish name".
Verdy_p (talk) 01:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the help!
Normally you create the Spanish page by following the red link shown in the "Other languages" box from the English page
That's what I can't seem to do. I can't get the list of untranslated languages for any page, so I can't follow the red link to the Spanish page and create it. Spanish titles are not an issue for now since the translations I'm intending to do are related to keys and tags, which keep the same title. --Absay (talk) 01:33, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
If you follow the red link proposed in the English page for the Spanish version in "Other languages", there's a "ES:" prefix correctly set. The languages template will work immediately without parameter, unless you rename the new Spanish page with a Spanish title: you'll then need to add the explicit parameter in {{Languages|English page name}} because the template cannot guess what is the English page from the new page now named differently! But even if you do rename that page, you MUST still keep the language prefix code. — Verdy_p (talk) 02:02, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
To get the list of untransalted languages, just click the link on "Other languages". This list is hidden by default. If this does not work, it's because you have blocked javascript in your browser (that javascript unhides the list by modifying the CSS class attribute to make it visible/invisible). — Verdy_p (talk) 02:05, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
OK I see the problem: the link below "Other languages" no longer works: the javascript event handler is missing now! Something has changed globally on the wiki and only an admin can fix it. It worked before! — Verdy_p (talk) 02:09, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I know why it no longer works: I had already signaled since long that the old MediaWiki function "onLoadHook" was deprecated (and asked that it should be replaced using jQuery). Now with this version of MediaWiki, it no logner work at all (and a few other old MEdiaWiki function also disappear, you need to use the "resource loader" and can no longer load scripts synchronously. This affects several other features on this wiki that also used deprecated functions (now causing errors as they are no logner supported).
This is a new defect cause by the recent upgrade of the MediaWiki version on this server: you can see on the Javascript console the errors caused by the "onLoadHook" function no longer present !
The fix for it was discussed since long on the Template talk page in its beta phase (see User talk:Wynndale/language test, but Wynndale refused it several times, and reverted it multiple times, ignoring the warnings I sent him repeatedly [7]) !
In summary we need to replace "onLoadHook(function() {...})" by "$(document).load(function() {...})" to use the required jQuery event handler. — Verdy_p (talk) 02:21, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the very detailed answers, Verdy. I apologize for not being clear from the beginning about what my problem actually was. But it looks like it's a global issue caused by the update and I understand this can only be fixed by the admins. Here's hoping they find the time to solve it asap!--Absay (talk) 02:58, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
As for now you still cannot unroll the list of missing translations, I just suggest you see how existing pages are named and use the expected prefixes and English titles, by typing it manually, so to translate a page "Tag:key=value" to Spanish, name it "ES:Tag:key=value" (don't forget the capitals in the prefix for Spanish, use "ES:" not "Es:" if this is not in the main namespace, such as a category or template, e.g. Category:ES:English name, then rename that page to the Spanish title, and insert "{{Languages|Category:English name}} in the new category. — Verdy_p (talk) 03:49, 28 February 2017 (UTC)