Tag:place=locality

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A Locality is a named place that has no population.

Status
Approved. Moved to Map Features page.
Proposed by
Swampwallaby

Rationale

All current place tags are for either populated areas, or for larger areas of County sized or bigger. The place=locality tag is useful for places that have a specific name, but do not necessarily have any geographic feature or population centre that could be used to attach a name tag to. The closest currently available is place=hamlet, but hamlet implies at least a small population centre.

Applies to

Nodes and Areas.

Rendering

Render the same as place=hamlet.

Comments

  • Do you have one or two examples of such places? How could this be rendered? -- Ulfl 06:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
  • There are hundreds of such places in Australia. An area consisting of just farms (i.e. no concentration of houses at all) is given a name that can be used in an address. The name might be a historical name for the area, or for an old town, or just made up. I see place=locality as a general purpose tag for naming a place when there is nothing else there to add the name tag to. The rendering would be exactly the same as for a Hamlet in the same location - just display locality name is small text. --Swampwallaby 09:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I thought this sounded like a good idea at first, but I'm having a hard time thinking about places which have a name for no other reason. Farms, to take the above example, are already denoted by landuse=farm (either node or area or both). I thought about The Burren in Ireland, but I guess that's a nature reserve. What about the South Downs in England? Bit big for something that's equivalent to a hamlet. How about Hollin's Cross, which is the name given to an intersection of paths between Edale and Castleton in Derbyshire and the ridge path from Mam Tor to Lose Hill (at the middle of http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.357&lon=-1.7983&zoom=14&layers=B0F - the northern path isn't marked on OSM yet. Or Winnat's Pass just around the corner - go 2km south of the above - which is a spectacular canyon (someone's named the road which goes through it) - but one could argue then we should be more specific, but I think it would work here, and it is a farily loose way of getting a caption onto the map. David.earl 12:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I echo David's wording that is is "fairly loose way of getting a caption on the map". It would very useful to capture local, mostly but not exclusively rural, names that a) identify a locality for some historical reason no longer directly evident, c) have greater significance as a locality than the feature they name, e.g. Malham Cove (UK), c) are a common way of naming places in only one or two region of the world, e.g. in the north of England the sides of hills (fells) rather peaks are named.

Some examples.

- Moors, bogs, wood names that are used locally as "places".
- In Sweden there are often sign posts to places that turn out to be a single farm-houses, I guess they have historical significance. Like Swampbilly I really don't like to use place=hamlet but would like to see them on the map with greater emphasis than the name of someone's house.
- The UK out-of-copyright OS maps have a plethora of rural names that could be captured into OSM but can't be tied into anything in particular. I found "The Garder of Eden" in Yorkshire for example!
- Common land in the UK often has a name, e.g. Ludshott Common or Broxhead Common
- I proposed the place=suburb as a deliberately loose way of capturing the way people name the area of a city they live in but I now find I'd like as sort of suburb of a suburb tag, place=locality would be ideal. For example, as I recall, in Brighton (UK) buses go to "The Seven Dials" and "Old Steyne" but they are really too localised to be considered suburbs.

End of long winded ramble! Summary, its a good tag. MikeCollinson 12:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

  • This is a good idea, there are plenty of random locations in the countryside with a name but no real category as such, but I'm not sure that common land is a good example, I just use natural=heath; name=Woolbeding Common (to take a real example, not far from the above-named Ludshott and Broxhead commons) Nick W 11:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


Anyone want to list examples of "places which aren't a population centre"? Some of these might be covered by other tags (names on islands, or forests, or place=region) or they may need new tags

Ojw's examples:

How about place=* (similar to building=*), i.e. any unknown value for "place" should be rendered, and the popular ones (e.g. bay, commonland, estate) could later be given specific renderings. Ojw 15:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

  • I think this is taking it a bit far. place=locality is designed for just what it says in the Rationale - for place s with a name, but no geographical or population centre to add a tag to. --Swampwallaby 23:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Based on what I said on my disapproval, I would then prefer place=location. --PhilippeP 13:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Voting

  • Voting commenced 6 December 2007
  • Before starting a vote, please cleanup the comment section. I've read it three times and I'm still unsure what this tag is for and what not. There's lot's of stuff related to natural=cliff and alike which should NOT be tagged with place=locality IMHO. I'm not against this in principle, but in it's current form the proposal isn't pretty clear. -- Ulfl 20:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
    • I approve this proposal (so please don't look at the comments :-) -- Ulfl 22:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this tag, very useful --Walley 07:49, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal --Wabba 08:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal. Chillly 10:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I disapprove this proposal. ('locality' is a false friend for french 'localité' wich is used as a generic term for any city,town,village ...)--PhilippeP 12:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal. Myfanwy 00:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC) to PhillippeP: that is the origin of the word, it has since taken on new meaning in English - this has happened for countless words in the English language
  • I approve this proposal. DavidJames 16:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal, great for places that may only be local knowledge to be mapped/documented. - LastGrape 21:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal. Rural maps around here have many places labelled "locality". This feature is required --inas 21:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this tag SlowRider 23:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal --Swampwallaby 00:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal. --Franc 04:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal. --Nick W 11:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal. --EdoM (lets talk about it) 23:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal. --Skywave 17:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal. --Fopper 20:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal. --Steelman 17:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Voting close 20th December 2007
  • Proposal passed
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