File talk:Landuse=farmland.jpg

Should rather be landuse=meadow

The picture shows landuse=farmland tags which should (according to the wiki page) rather be landuse=meadow. Hence the picture shows bad practice. --previously unsigned comment by Meillo in 2015

bothers me all the time. can someone change that? --MomoMilkiway (talk) 10:48, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

There's a long history of confusion around farm landuse mapping tags. I am the original creator of this image, except I'm not because I actually originally created File:Landuse=farmyard.jpg and landuse=farm.jpg with a landuse=farm label on those bits. Opinion seems to be shifting in fun ways over the years. Hopefully getting more clearly documented, but it still seems to be ambiguous in various ways. You're saying this image needs to change again. I'm definitely not as convinced as you seem to be that landuse=farmland is the wrong tag for these fields (the docs currently say it's ... kind of ok... to use that tag) -- Harry Wood (talk) 15:53, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree farm tags and landuse, natural etc. tags in general are a (big) mess in OSM, but these proliferations are inherent to the open nature of OSM and that's what we love it for ;-) And until someone sacrifices herself to work on a restructure this is how people will map landuse. The new image features a tag marked as deprecated by the wiki. I would like to support my claim because my opinion isn't worth any more then yours so we will have to sort this out in a discussion :-)

landuse=farmland describes itself as "An area of farmland used for tillage" which does not apply to the areas in the image. Yes, landuse=farmland states that "This tag is sometimes used for tagging every agricultural area (except farmyards)." but proceeds to state that "we also have separate tags for: meadows and pastures landuse=meadow (which is labelled landuse=farmland in the picture),[...]". Therefore my understanding is that those areas should be marked as landuse=meadow. I would like to support my claim with the following anecdotal evidence: It is also the practice adapted in the areas that I have mapped in and by depending products such as osmlanduse.org. I have encountered only two exceptions to that practice: a) when mappers misinterpreted aerial imagery e.g. of freshly grown barley to be grass instead of a crop and b) when users map landuse=grass as landuse=meadow e.g. on roundabouts or in parks. So this is why I am so convinced but as I said: any opinion should be valued! --MomoMilkiway (talk) 19:06, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

modified to show landuse=meadow

As an update to above discussion... back in June User:GoodClover modified this image as a new version, now showing landuse=meadow.

I don't think modifying the image is right course of action given that the file name of the image is "File:Landuse=farmland.jpg". Pretty confusing way to leave things if you ask me. As well as being a filename-content mismatch, it could also be interpretted as "a bit sneaky" to modify what lots of wiki pages are saying, without editing the pages themselves in this way.

(I'm reserving judgement on whether landuse=farmland -> landuse=meadow is a good change, but I do see GoodClover was making a good effort to align the image with what the english wiki page was saying. I just think the overwriting image at the same name was not the right way to do it)

So I have re-uploaded this new version at new name: File:Landuse=farmyard and landuse=meadow.jpg. Currently this File:Landuse=farmland.jpg image and that one are showing the same thing. The meadow tag.

And then I will go round and swap all the wiki pages to use that image. That change will not be a change of course, since the images are showing the same thing! But...

Later I will delete the new version off this page so that file naming sanity is restored.

Only trouble is it might not be clear what order things happened in, so to be clear, the interesting change of content/meaning here, landuse=farmland -> landuse=meadow, was actually carried out by User:GoodClover back in June.

-- Harry Wood (talk) 19:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)