Talk:Tag:public transport=stop position

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Is this a PoI that people may want to search for ? (Should it be indexed ?) -- 23:55, February 5, 2010 User:Nic

No. --Teddych 09:54, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


If this node appears in a way, will there be a tendency that traffic will be blocked ? (Should we route around it ?) -- 23:55, February 5, 2010 User:Nic

Traffic can be blocked for several seconds. Depending of the timetable this happens only a view times a day up to several times an hour. The time-loss is usually not significant. Traffic lights or crossings usually are blocking the traff more. You do not have to route around it. --Teddych 09:54, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Footway between stop_postition and platform ?

Does a highway=footway is needed between a public_transport=stop_position and a public_transport=platform ? Or does that virual way is handled by the relation in routing programs ?

That question also applies to other highway tags, like trains carrying people and their cycle, or ferries with people and their car. Thanks for the help. Alexandre 08:20, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I do NOT add a way between stop position and platform. Usually the platform is not accessed directly by the street, it is accesst by the sidewalk. And if the platform is only a pole beside the street (without sidewalk/platform) a seperate way does not make sence too. --Teddych 09:46, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


Seems when I tag bus stop as that (and only - without older bus_stop), main OSM map not reneder nothing… --Jezevec 15:28, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes you need the older highway=bus_stop tag. This tag does not replace that one. They represent different things, and renderers (such as the osm 'standard' one) will tend to uses the highway=bus_stop node position as a more useful positioning of an icon -- Harry Wood (talk) 10:51, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Location of stop position node

For the bus stops where a specific area has been reserved along a road (but not physically separated from it) like in the sample picture, do we have to represent some special way to put a stop_position node on it? or is it OK to put the stop position on the main road? Teuxe (talk) 15:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

It is important not to consider the stop position alone, but as part of the route relation: it specifies where the bus actually stops on that (one-direction) route. Usually, on a line, a stop area may present two stop positions at some distance to each other, each being relative to a route direction (like for the shelter, each on its appropriate road side). Teuxe (talk) 15:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
So the answer to the question in the simple case, is "yes". This tag goes on a node mid-way as part of the main road.
Actually the photo is maybe confusing in this respect. It might be clearer to show a bus stop which happens to stop within the road a bit more anyway. Additionally this page could do with a diagram or an editor screenshot illustrating a typical data arrangement
-- Harry Wood (talk) 11:04, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Node position on length of vehicle?

Where should the stop position node be placed? For a bus .. near the front where the entry door is? What about a train. These can have considerable length ... should the stop position node be at the center of the train .. or at the front of the train? Warin61 (talk) 08:46, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Vehicle length does not matter, there's a stop position for the vehicle and it's the front position, independantly of where people enter the vehicle (all along the platfom,n possibly on several doors); trains typically have variable lengths depending on hours/services; buses too. People start waiting in line from the front position. As the stoip position is on the highway/railway and not the side platform, it is an indiation not only for the bus but also the maximum extent to which the vehicle will occupy the position when stopped, if other vehicles must pass them.
It should be positioned at the front; if the side platform is represented as a node only (instead of a way or closed area), it will also be near the front position, typically at the position of the signal (you may also mark separately the benchs or other equipements on the platform, generally in the middle of the platform and not the front. — Verdy_p (talk) 09:09, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
While people start waiting for a bus at the front position when stopped, they wait for a ferry at the middle position when stopped, and for a train they scatter over the expected length of the train. So the queuing position is variable depending on the expected avalible loading positions. If the stop position is that used by the 'driver' of the vehicle many ferries have that about the middle of the vehicle. If the stop position is the 'front' of the vehicle then ok, but note that in some ferries the ferry can be used in both directions effectively changing which end is the front... in that case the front is that end currently the 'front'. :) Warin61 (talk) 20:44, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
You make the confusion between the stop position and the platform. What you describe applies to the platform only ! Platforms are not restricted to be single nodes (like stop positions used for routing the actual line), they can be a linear unclosed way, or an area. The stop positions and platforms are related via the "stop_area" relation if needed. The places where people wait a train or a ferry in not on the route itself but nearby the stop position which is on the route (at a posistion which is generally unsuitable for waiting as it is most often used by other kind of trafic unrelated to the transport route itself. There can be a single stop position, but of course there can be several accesses to the bus or train or ferry from the platform desserved by the same stop of the route, and we most often cannot tag these multiple access positions as it varies all the time depending on vehicles but the platform encompasses all these access positions; connecting the platform to the vehicle stopped at a stop positon cannot be mapped as it is an equipement part of the mobile vehicle; in some metros there are additional equipments such as doors on the platform that will line up with doors on the vehicle: these doors on the platform can be mapped, not the doors on vehicles. — Verdy_p (talk) 12:00, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
The stop position can be estimated from the platform. Looking at Relation: RE22/RB22 Köln => Trier (1717088) the stop positions used are in the middle of the platforms and that is probably not the stop position for the front of the train, but the middle of the train. The Relation: RE22/RB22 Köln => Trier (1717088) was used as an example to create Relation: Sydney 2 Central Coast & Newcastle Line (8014084) with stop positions at the front of the train. NOTE: 'I', 'you' etc can be taken as personal attacks, best avoided. Aim the comments at the objects rather than personalizing them. I have a fairly thick skin, so don't easily take offense, but others might. Warin61 (talk) 20:49, 16 February 2018 (UTC)