Proposed features/Mall

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Shopping mall
Status: Approved (active)
Proposed by: myfanwy
Tagging: shop=mall
Applies to: node;area
Definition: A shopping mall is a modern term for a form of shopping precinct or shopping center.
A shopping mall entrance
Status
proposal
However the tag is also documented at Tag:shop=mall (perhaps independently by User:Ceyockey?)
Proposed-by
User:myfanwy
Proposal-date
2007-12-07

A shopping mall, may be indoor or outdoor

Is a shopping mall the same as a shopping center? (English is not my native language). What I imagine as a shopping mall is a free standing complex (American style). What I imagine as a shopping center is part of the surrounding buildings (European style). I'm not convinced it's useful to make the distinction. Polyglot 08:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Tags

Applies to nodes and areas

Rendering

Suggestions please

Depending on type of map, some places I would have a highlighted color with the name, while other maps I would have a symbol, for instance a gift, and than other maps I wouldn't render it at all. --Skippern 19:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments

  • this seems useful ramack 05:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
  • what is an outdoor shopping mall? This seems to be in contrast of what I would think about a mall. -- Ulfl 08:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
    • an outdoor mall is a collection of shops outdoors, with pedestrian-only ways between them, purpose-built at the same time on private land and maintained by one company. This is in contrast to a town centre, which generally evolves over a period of time, has various different owners and is controlled by a local council. I can think of a number of outdoor malls in england and new zealand (botany downs - [1])Myfanwy 20:19, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
    • If I was outdoors mapping, I would just want want to make sure all the pedestrian roads are tagged. For indoor/covered markets and shopping centres I think a lot of people have been tagging 'building=something' 'name=the whatever mall'. - LastGrape 23:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Dito. For such an outdoor mall I would just map the ways and each single shop, maybe group them with Relations/Proposed/Site. But for an indoor mall I wouldn't map each single shop, just the whole, which ideally is also a building=*. -- Fröstel 14:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
  • There seems to be an overlap with the Indoor Shopping Centre proposal. Due to the short tag I prefer Mall. I wouldn't distinguish between indoor/outdoor or any other details. Toralf 10:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I prefer the shorter tag "mall" too. But how will be the particular shops reflected (e.g. the included bakery, bookstore, pharmacy, etc.)? --Guido 17:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
    • I also like the idea of the shorter "mall" tag. To answer Guido's question I would propose that you are still free to add all the single shops as nodes on the "mall" area - although, on second thought - as malls in general have so many shops (very likely even multiple stories) that we would end up with lot`s of overlaping icons It is maybe not the best idea to try to bring all the single shops of a "mall" onto the map/into the database. --safado 22:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
      • From my point of view, mapping shops within a mall means more trouble than it is worth. First, how can you map it? You have no GPS receiption, as it is indoors. You cannot use copyrighted material, like the layout of the building. The only resort I can think of is walk through it and count steps etc. However, shops within a mall are likely to move in and out, so one would have to constantly monitor the mall. In common, a vistor can expect to have a "common basic set" of shops within a mall, e.g. a pharmacy, food, a bakery, restaurants, hairdressers, vendors of mobile phones, shoes, book shops, atms etc. I'd suggest to only map shops/amenities that are "out of the ordinary" and would be a single reason (other than common shopping) to visit the mall. Such a place could be a theater, a night club, maybe a cinema.
        • I can see that mapping single shops has problems - the lack of GPS reception and overlapping nodes on the maps. However, we do need to think about how the data gets used. To assume a "common basic set" means we need to define the basic set and then define additions and exceptions (for example one mall round here doesn't have a pharmacy, food, bakery, toy shops... as it is mainly fashion etc). In addition people wanting to find somewhere may choose to use a search function and they would expect all occurrences to be found (for example if I look at the POIs in my GPS for say hairdressers I wouldn't expect to only find hairdressers that aren't in a shopping mall). The lack of GPS can be overcome by pacing say, overlapping titles needs the renders updated (or we mark shops in centres as not rendered on mapnik) and multi level malls are difficult to setup in the current editors; but if a single shop on its own is worth mapping then a shop in shopping centre should be mapped to. --MarkS 08:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
  • If you want to make more fine-grained distinctions like outdoor or indoor (whether that gets accepted or not) I would rather use mall=outdoor|indoor|.... That would be more consistent with the way other tags work. type seems to be used in more general ways, i.e. "what kind of feature is this?" or "what kind of thing does this relation actually represent?". --Shepard 11:52, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Tag:shop=mall page

This seems adopted. Why not note the change here ? See: Tag:shop=mall --Antwelm, 19 May 2009

Yes. That page has been written with a description set up largely by User:Ceyockey. Maybe he did that without realising this proposal was here. The description text is not written here in this proposal. Seems like a good description though. I suggest we include that text in this proposal to bring things into clearer alignment. -- Harry Wood 10:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)