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If you have ideas for the wiki, you can generally just do them, by editing the wiki! Big restructuring can be discussed in relation to WikiProject Cleanup, but in general we would encourage you to be bold.

If you have ideas for technical improvements to the way the wiki works, e.g. extensions we should install, you might add them here, and/or raise tickets in trac (raised as 'component=admin'): https://trac.openstreetmap.org/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=wiki&order=priority

Older requests can be found here:


pt and pt-BR namespaces

I have noticed that there are no posibility to search in portuguese pages on the wiki. There have been translated a lot of pages from Map Features into pt-BR, and a few of them have redirects from pt namespace. Since there are no map feature translated to pt, I suggest that pt namespace could be made as an alias to pt-BR namespace, and these two to be allowed on the search page as a pt search. There are a general movement in the Brazilian comunity to get important parts of the wiki translated as an incentive to reqruite more Brazilian mappers, allowing a Portuguese search will be helpful in this process. It is also worth noting that many of the subpages of WikiProject Brazil are only written in Portuguese. --Skippern 12:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Some related discussion about this here: Talk:Searching the wiki
'"pt namespace could be made as an alias to pt-BR namespace". At the moment neither of them are namespaces. They're just page titles with colons in them. I think maybe the best thing would be if we got rid of all pages with pt-BR: prefixes, merging them until we only have PT: prefixs. Clearly that'll involve coming to some transatlantic agreements on wording things though (just as the wikipedia PT community do I believe)
The PT: prefix could be made into a proper searchable namespace either before or after that happens. I think User:Firefishy is doing this on the basis of number of wiki pages already present with prefix, so more likely to happen if progress is made with a merge
-- Harry Wood 15:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Once there are a reasonable number of pages to justify the namespace, send me a request to make the namespace. Creating the namespace requires the wiki to go readonly and could involve minor template + search breakage. -- Firefishy 13:30, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion, pt and pt-BR are the same language (with minor orthographic or grammatical differences or more allowances in Brazilian) and do not require separate pages (it is perfectly possible to create versions of pages that can be read and accepted by native Portugueses and Brazilians, just like in Portuguese editions of Wikipedia, or Wiktionary).
The ony justified need for "Brazilian" pages is for the projects related to the mapping of Brazil itself (independantly of the language used for other translations). And even those pages should be translatable to other languages than Portuguese.
Just like in Wikimedia Commons, all page names should be in English (the only difference being the language code prefix used in this wiki, instead of subpage names, a solution that is superior, in my opinion, to language prefixes, when working in the same namespace).
However, it is justified to create a "PT:" namespace (or preferably "pt:" using lowercase) for allowing searches of pages written in Portuguese.
For searching pages related to the mapping of Brazil, or of Portugal, the ideal solution is not the namespaces, but a coherent set of categories and a good starting wikiproject page (which should be translatable).
Verdy_p (talk) 03:37, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

That's an old discussion, but the idea of unifying the PT and pt-BR namespaces has come up again in discussion here: discussão sobre a unificação no prefixo Pt. -- Harry Wood (talk) 04:24, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Extensions Requests

InputBox

I'de like to see Extension:InputBox added - This would enable some simple "create" pages that load up a preload edit page. Martin Renvoize 11:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Enabled -- Firefishy 14:47, 15 September 2011 (BST)

StringFunctions

I'm thinking Extension:StringFunctions. Use of {{#explode:}} could simplify calling some of the templates: instead of (or making optional) passed parameters, they could be computed from the {{PAGENAME}}. Because Key: and Tag: aren't namespaces, titleparts is less useful than it could be. --goldfndr 11:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I have enabled $wgPFEnableStringFunctions which is part of Extension:ParserFunctions. --Firefishy 14:51, 15 September 2011 (BST)

FlaggedRevs

Please consider adding Extension:FlaggedRevs to OSM wiki, and put me and User:Steve in the 'editor' and 'reviewer' groups. --BrandonSkyPimenta (TalkContribs) 18:58, 29 May 2012 (BST)

There are no need to enable this extention with the current rate of vandalism. This extention will require the administrators to validate all the edits made to the wiki and there are desire to have to do so.
As for the seccond part of the request, no users will be granted any extra powers without proving themselves responsable enough. Gnonthgol 20:45, 29 May 2012 (BST)

Embed Videos on Wiki Pages

Would it be possible to instal the Embed video extension. The main reason I am looking for this is to allow videos illustrating how to use JOSM, JOSM Plugins, Potlatch, iD etc, basically as a training tool integrated into the wiki page itself, rather than just an external link. DaCor (talk) 17:50, 22 April 2013 (UTC)


Using the Wiki from mobile devices

Has there ever been any discussion of adding the Mobile Frontend extension? I'd like to be able to use the resources of the OSM Wiki from a mobile device. --Mnewnham (talk) 04:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Even if it doesn't is my own requirement, I think it's not that a big problem. On another wiki I got good results with a mobile theme and a browser switch. --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 08:52, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Note, just discussed there: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark%20Newnham/diary/19723 --Aseerel4c26 (talk) 12:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

CSS-Problems

PRE-box

In a PRE-box, line-height is too low and underscores (_) are cut. In the following example, shop=scuba_diving looks like shop=scuba diving, which is missleading.. Proposed_features/scuba_diving#Dive-Shops

Tested with Opera and FireFox on Windows --t-i 23:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Not just because it's in a pre box. Also a problem here: amenity=dive_center but not here: Tag:amenity=dive_center. Maybe we can fix this in the style definition of Template:Tag. -- Harry Wood 01:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Hidden IFrame for JOSM link

It would be nice to add in the main template, or probably by script, an hidden iFrame as target of http://localhost:8111 links.

I think a global javascript can add the iframe with an id like josmTarget when the page is loaded, and put a target="josmTarget" on each link starting with http://localhost:8111

It would avoid opening a new tab with right click on the link.

--FrViPofm 15:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Something like that :

addOnloadHook(function () {
  var target = "hidenIFrame";
  var frame = document.body.appendChild(document.createElement("iframe"));
  frame.setAttribute("style","display:none");
  frame.setAttribute("id",target);
  frame.setAttribute("name",target);
  var links0 = document.getElementById('bodyContent');
  var links = document.getElementById('bodyContent').getElementsByTagName('a');
  for(var a in links) {
    if(links[a].href && links[a].host == 'localhost:8111') {
        links[a].setAttribute("target",target);
    }
  }
})

OK. It still open a new tab, but it doesn't replace the current one. I you put this code on your monobook.js, you can check the j link in 207794 b a r j s

--FrViPofm 23:07, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Any idea how to do this with MediaWiki 1.17? -- Firefishy 14:53, 15 September 2011 (BST)

Install extension for including videos (youtube, etc.)

Could somebody please install an extension for including videos in a OSM wiki page? Or is there already an extension installed? Which one?

Gubaer 10:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

you can find all installed extension here. There is no one extension from YouTube extensions --Dnikitin 17:36, 20 April 2011 (BST)

External URL Whitelist

Is it possible to exempt links to well-known OSM tools from the captcha requirement? Even adding Template:KeyDescription to a page results in a captcha right now (because of the osmdoc/tagwatch/tagstats links). --Tordanik 20:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Please add these to the talk page of MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist -- Firefishy 20:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Explain it to newbies

What about this clip to show newbies the principals of a wiki? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dnL00TdmLY --!i! 08:49, 10 August 2010 (BST)

Request Template development

Hi for refactoring Software we need somebody that is able to build up a clever template. Anybody out there? --!i! 13:44, 12 August 2010 (BST)

Bot flag request: TTTBot

I intend to use a bot for keeping tables such as those on Software/Mobile_phones synchronized with each other and with info boxes on software description pages. For now, I'm planning to only run it once a day after beginning regular operation, and the bot will only perform a few write edits each time - the exact number depends on what tables need to be updated, of course, but there aren't that many pages that contain software overview tables right now, and each such page will be edited at most once per bot run.
It would be useful to have a bot flag for the account User:TTTBot: It's required for history/watchlist bot filters to work properly. And, of course, it could make sense to include external links (e.g. to the projects' websites) in some of the tables - I haven't implemented solving captchas yet. ;-) --Tordanik 21:44, 27 August 2010 (BST)

Bot group added. -- Firefishy 10:44, 23 September 2010 (BST)

Thumbnails Problem

Hi, there seem to be a problem with adding new animated GIF files: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:MV-history.gif The gif works fine on my PC dunno why he reports a "missing thumbnail parameters" :( Anybody an idea how to fix it? --!i! 08:55, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Fixed. HUGE image. 125 frames. It was exceeding mediawiki sanity checks + memory usage limit. I've upped these for now. If it cause problem I'll need to reduce it. --Firefishy 12:31, 23 September 2010 (BST)

Template-based software table generation to go "live" next week

As mentioned previously, we (= User:!i! + me) are trying to replace manually updated wiki tables with similar tables that are created by a bot. You can see a few tests on subpages of my user page, for example: all software, Desktop software only. We intend to place tables like these on pages in the article namespace soon.

I'm announcing this to make sure that no one has objections, especially from a technical POV. The bot software has already been run a few times, and I haven't noticed any significant issues myself.

For more information, see User:TTTBot, Template:Software2 and Template:SoftwareTable. --Tordanik 20:57, 17 October 2010 (BST)

Forming a Wiki Team

  • In order to shorten the following reading: The Wikiteam has been founded. Contact: here and here. Good luck! -- Tirkon 07:10, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I got a few times the hint that some people would like to contribute to the wiki but lack of knowledge to change some pages e.g. Tables, Templates usage. They wished some kind of guardian that they could consult if they arent't sure. And they would like to ask somebody where they can find what in the wiki.

What about forming a wiki team that support normal users if they have questions?

The wiki people could benefit in this by coordinating e.g. who is monitoring which pages, working on cleanup, ...

Currently I'm working on a statistic on the wiki usage that shows how little people realy working on updating/refactoring/updating the wiki --!i! 07:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

You mean there are other people working on clean ups? :-) Great idea where should they ask questions, on http://help.openstreetmap.org ? Erik Johansson 21:01, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes I made a report on the wiki edits last 3month and send a pm to the most active ones. IMHO it would be cool to form a team to coordinate us and to make it people easy to join :) Your link is very much unknown to my german OSM community. But you are right, there are other channels for support, too. But to make it as easy as possible to new editors we should offer direct contact?--!i! 21:36, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi guys, Yes,its nice to see that I'm not the only one who think documenting is important. Yes I want to put some effort in supporting others. Maybe a Wiki mailinglist will be a great start. ZMWandelaar
Well just another ML is IMHO not a good idea. What will it be for? For internal or external communication? I guess people expect Wiki members right here: at the wiki ;) --!i! 22:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
What I understand is that you want to form a group of senior Wiki users contributing in supporting junior or medior Wiki users in contributing to Wiki. Are there more goals? ZMWandelaar
Yes right some guidance to the new ones. As I said it is furthermore a chance for the senios to get better connected and work together on bigger tasks, getting feedback on ideas,...--!i! 08:35, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
To do so in an Geografically difficult team we need a fast and firm communication system. Therefore I proposed a Mailing list cause these TALK pages a highly annoying while discussing a matter. Next to the ML-channel it's maybe good to introduce IRC/MSN for incidential live discussions. Important endresults out of these discussions should be maintained into Wiki pages concerned.--ZMWandelaar 12:06, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Ah ok I see your point. So lets wait what the others say. --!i! 12:18, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Let's wait. I suggest the following first steps:
  • Collect all names of currunt project members
  • Descide what communacation channels will be used
  • Organise primairy channels
  • Start ProjectPage: Static data, Actual "Todo list"
--ZMWandelaar 13:24, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
It makes sense to offer a way for people to ask questions (though help.openstreetmap.org already works quite well for the English-speaking community), and for coordination of wiki work. Ideally, it should be an easily useable communication channel. Therefore, it should not be a wiki talk page. While a mailing list is a better choice than a wiki page, these are not considered comfortable by most non-technical users either. If we make sure that there is a web frontend for the mailing list, then it could work. Otherwise, creating a "wiki" sub-forum on forum.openstreetmap.org would seem a good option. --Tordanik 17:48, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Agree. Discussions on Forum and Collecting ToDo's on our ProjectWikiPage wil be a strong communication channel. --ZMWandelaar 09:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Agree I preffer a forum cause of the SingleSignon so everybody has a login and can drop us a message. We might think about IRC or if everybody wants to publish a IM account or if we pledge onself to enable the wiki mail function and to monitor our mailbox x times per day? I asked user:Lambertus for a subforum --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 11:12, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
On what page would you like to discuss Cleanups on bigger pages? What about cleaning up the WikiProject Cleanup page first? I guess this should be the central place? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 14:52, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
By the way, I created the draft of a userbox template Template:UserWikiTeam. We can adapt our signatures, too --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 17:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Now there is a category and Wikiteam page for further informations. Feel free to join or add informations.... --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 13:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I contacted a lot of people worked/ing on the wiki (sry for the spam folks) hopefully we get some much more :) --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 16:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree to join up. As a former librarian, I get interested in categorizing and namely building a general frame (or tree) with 10 super-categories or so. I can let French users to know what it could have be proposed. Ch. Rogel 21:29, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Thats cool. I have never thought that much about Categories but recognized they are important to find similar pages. Personaly I focus a bit more on updating/merging pages. --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 09:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I also agree to work on the Team, though my efforts recently have dwindled somewhat since finally getting a job, as koha developer. Martin Renvoize

Added; I'de better start being useful again then.. Martin Renvoize This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 08:04, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
No problem Martin. Everybody can spend as much time as he personaly has. The only thing is we should coordinate the monitoring on bigger pages and "communication" pages when somebody external adds a request.

Do you agree to continue the team management works on talk:wiki/team?--!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 09:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

For your attention, I bloged about the current wiki usage [1] --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 19:41, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Ill join this wikiteam... not on osm a supper lot anymore, but Ill try and help out, give ideas, work though solutions where needed. I installed all the wiki templates found on the USA wiki project, and the proposal pages, so I know my way around a wiki.. Ill try and check in every now and then. Check out Blue Ribbon features if you get the chance. Something I'm proposing. --Nickvet419 Flag of United StatesThis user is member of the wiki team of OSM 18:50, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll join this wikiteam. I am one of the main contributor in translating to Brazilian Portuguese (Pt-br namespace). Mainly work on translating tags. Brazilian Portuguese is not my main language, but since I live in Brazil, and hope for the Brazilian comunity to grow, I feel it is better with a page with bad grammar than no page at all. Tag documentation in Brazilian Portuguese is important for reqruiting more Brazilian users to OSM, as English skills usually are very limited. --Skippern 22:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Links: Case Sensitive and Namespace

Hi,

caused by the new on demand search function some pages hide themself for the user just cause he didn't captitalized the first character. Similar problems on namespaces. Are there any mediawiki extensions that solve this problem by allowing links and searches independent from Namespace or capitalisation? --!i! 12:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Armenian

Hi! How i can add link to Armenian main page in "Available languages" template? User:Pandukht

Was on my talk page, sorry to complicated for me, anybody with more experience in this templates? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 19:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Done. --Mormegil 11:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Great, thank you! --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 16:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks everybody:)--Pandukht 13:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Reordering Navigation panel

Hi, few weeks ago I read about a user mentioning a better order for the left panel you always see in the wiki. Is there anything happened? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 18:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Local groups

Hi, the german divison has a template to branding the local groups that meet regulary: Template:Lokale_Gruppe. That is collected and displayed for example at www.openstreetmap.de. Would be cool to extend it for a worldwide use, right? Is there anybody that can integrate an OpenLayers map displaying a KML/GML with a listing of all groups? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 18:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I create template:user group. Feel free to improve it. I also added an entry to our forum. --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 12:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Add user group that does not need to enter captchas

When you edit Wiki pages frequently, it gets very annoying that you have to enter a captcha every time you add an external link. This is especially the case when you update pages about external OSM projects, which obviously contain several external links. Also, when you use a template (such as Template:Relation) that links to external tools, a captcha is asked. Sometimes it even happens to me that I close a page after pressing the Save button and the content is lost because I missed the Captcha.

A user group could be added to the Wiki whose users don’t have to enter captchas. Users could be added to this group either automatically (for example when they have made more than 50 edits and the first edit is more than two months ago) or manually on request. --Candid Dauth 18:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Indeed this is very annoying (well I added >160 Software tools pages ;)) but a mechanism might result in Spam. What about creating this group and everybody has to ask the admins to get this flag? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 09:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Or, at least, the captcha could be configured so that it is not required for known OSM tools (like those referenced in Template:Relation). --Mormegil 16:58, 4 May 2011 (BST)
Yeah we have that already: MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist I just added the known OSM tools referenced in Template:Relation. See any other's we're missing? -- Harry Wood 17:43, 4 May 2011 (BST)
Yep, localhost (for JOSM RemoteControl), even though it would be funny to spam with localhost, captcha is still required for that one. --Mormegil 14:37, 6 May 2011 (BST)
OK added 'localhost'. Again I'm not sure if that works. -- Harry Wood 15:44, 6 May 2011 (BST)
I support the original idea of creating a group of users exempt from captcha solving, with users being added to that group automatically after a small number of edits (20 edits would be enough imo). I don't expect more spam because of that - blatant linkspammers, as many of those blocked previously, seem to be caught quickly anyway.
The whitelist is nice for a few very well-known sites, especially those used in common templates, but I'm still finding myself solving captchas all the time. Links to websites, programs, papers, news articles etc. tend to be pretty unique and make up a large share of the links that are being added manually, i.e. not as part of templates. --Tordanik 15:31, 31 July 2012 (BST)
Whitelisting of domains is a start at least, but I think there are some entries seem to be missing such as geofabrik.de (OSM inspector, download of OSM extracts). May I just add it myself (I have not touched any template before)? G0ldfish 11:28, 2 August 2012 (BST) (only 4 reloads to get a fairly readable one this time)
I've asked that question before, see #External URL Whitelist. That being said, whitelisting is not a sufficient replacement for what is being suggested here. The last 5 domains I linked to were br.de, x-plane.com, heise.de, h-online.com and futurezone.at, none of which are good candidates for whitelisting. --Tordanik 16:30, 2 August 2012 (BST)
$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = false; is now set. Hopefully spam does not become a problem. -- Firefishy 12:17, 16 August 2012 (BST)
Any progress on the original idea? I am getting older and do have a hard time reading these annoying captchas texts :-( -- Dirk 2014-03-17
We have several threads all over the wiki about those annoying captchas (which are bad for many(!) reasons). User group - I found a extension which would help: Talk:WikiProject_Cleanup#Captchas_are_annoying_-_please_switch_off. --Aseerel4c26 (talk) 12:53, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Problem with template

Hi, can anybody help me fixing an issue why using Template:Countryflag will result in a linebreak Flag of Germany.svg after the flag? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 14:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

It should be fixed. --Andrew 17:52, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Andrew! --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 20:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

help for Template formating

Hi, once again I would need the help of another wiki specialist. Currently my template gets problems, even if you add the attributes but they are empty. So my code surrounding this issue doesn't seem to work :/ Template:User_group. Rome/Incontro is such an example --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 09:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to user:Firefishy this was fixed :) --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 09:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Limiting TOCs

Hi, I putted Template:TOC_limit from mediawiki here to control the depth of TOCs but it doesn't work. Can anybody please take a look if I did something wrong? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 08:27, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

The template does not do anything interesting, it only marks your wish. The real work is done by the relevant part of MediaWiki:Common.css (search for toclimit there), which would need to be copied here as well. --Mormegil 16:55, 4 May 2011 (BST)
Ah ok, well I dont think it's not that important. You can tweak the formating using bold lines. --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 07:50, 7 May 2011 (BST)

PNG size links on SVG pages

Commons and other Wikimedia wikis show links for automatically rendered pngs in various sizes on the image description pages for SVGs. Example: [2] ("This image rendered as PNG in other sizes"). Is there an easy way to implement that feature on our wiki, too? The rendering already works, of course, but links like that would make the functionality more clearly available, especially for people who don't have SVG editors installed. --Tordanik 21:07, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Done - Firefishy 12:53, 1 May 2011 (BST)

User working on established Templates

Hi, as some might notice User:Verdy p is working on a lot of templates that are spread on a lot of pages as languages or Software2. Even he tries to do it well, please let's keep an eye on this, as altering this templates causes a lot of rerendering nested pages. --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 19:20, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Sub- and SubSubTags

Hi, i miss some comfort to tag something like this:
cycleway:right:surface=wood
I think it make no sense, create a page (by following the red link).
My proposal is, to link the Tag to surface, and Value to wood.
Here some ideas:
cycleway:right:surface=wood
cycleway:right:surface=wood
cycleway:right:surface=wood because right, left and both belong directly to (cycle)way, its a own way (like right_cycleway:surface=*)
I prefer the second or third one.
It helps to create footway:left:smoothness, parking:left:lane, oneway:bicycle=yes etc.
I fond on other wiki-pages the "subkey=???" and this ":=", but first it does not help (especially for Values), and second i don't found a docu in this wiki.
vehicle:backward=no (Tag|vehicle|:=backward||no)
vehicle:backward=no (Tag|vehicle||no|subkey=backward)
-- MasiMaster 16:26, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure if we have Mediwiki strings extensions, that can deal with this problem (finding ':' and adapt wiki links). Anybody knows? BTW this is a very often used template, so changing it is very fragiles as it needs a lot of page updates :(
I'm not sure if there is some kind of agreement if this kind of subspacing is accepted by the community, as on the other hand we need some more general templates to make a tagging scheme description more machine readable. So templates expressing master keys, enumerated values for subkeys and so on... --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 16:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
You say "this is a very often used template" and "not sure if there is some kind of agreement is accepted by the community". I agree to both, and say: it's a "de facto"-norm. :) Or where/how can we ask the community!? Like a "simple" key or value proposal? ... Additional: I found Proposed: right/left that used :right/:left. More than 66% approve this. -- MasiMaster 20:39, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
IMO the problem is, that we don't have any agrgeement on how I call it 'meta-tagging thigns' like how should we create multi-value pairs, how to use flags and subspacing, guidelines for namespacing and so on and so on. As said beside this 'social' problems there are technical problems. To me it seems to be pretty hard to extend the template in your suggested way, but maybe I'm just not skilled enough. if somebody tries to fix that, please use a new template for testing, to avoid wrong links and stressing the cache, please! --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 22:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
I had done it. It should work good: Template:Testdummy. Some hints and examples are here: Testdummy-Examples -- MasiMaster 13:50, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Spam user?

I'm not sure if user:Deutsch_und_Stolz does some bad edits, as he adds contgories for german translation, even on pages that are obviously already translated and so on. What does you say? --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 21:46, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah User talk:Deutsch und Stolz
Not spam as such. He's clearly not managing to advertise anything. Could be vandalism, but I think it's most likely just somebody who doesn't understand what they're doing. Maybe you could translate my question into german, but to me it looks like all of those edits are wrong and need reverting.
-- Harry Wood 00:21, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
As he noticed this discussion, without any comments, we should revert the changes and maybe bann the user if he still proceeds --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 06:47, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Lang/xx pages

There was some discussion whether the sitenotice (currently license change info) could be translated depending on the user's interface language. However, it seems that neither features such as {{int:lang}} nor branching to MediaWiki:Sitenotice/de work in the OSM wiki. Documentation on Wikimedia Meta seems to indicate that language switches using {{int:lang}} require the existence of MediaWiki:Lang/xx pages such as these. I'm not sure whether that actually works the way I imagine, but it would be useful if it did, imo. --Tordanik 04:14, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, this is true. I also ask for a wiki administrator to import these small messages. And then we will ease the translation of this wiki, notably in templates, like what is being performed in Wikimedia Commons. This is really a useful thing, and I have asked for this support in several places. — Verdy_p (talk) 03:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

per-page usage stats

Hi there. There is an entry about this form 2008 in the Archive, but nobody answered back then. Is it possible to get per page usage statistics for the wiki? Wikipedia has this on some external server: http://stats.grok.se/en/top I have no idea about the technical background. This would be immensely useful for directing translation effort as we could tackle popular pages first. --Chaos99 08:10, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

too-many-function-calls warning on a lot of pages

Thousands of sites are listed in the Category:Pages_with_too_many_expensive_parser_function_calls (to which I can generate no wiki link??) for to many expensive parser function calls. I tracked that down to the Template:Language, where too many #ifexists are used. I don't have a solution for this, but if there is none, we can omit all the warnings while editing and the automated categorization, as they don't add any information (and it might save some parser calls by itself).----User:Chaos99 08:00, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

See above, user:Verdy p worked on the corresponding templates but he currently hadn't fixed that bug. I will ask him again :) --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 11:04, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't thinks that's a bug that can be fixed in the language template. To keep it's functionality, it has to do those #ifexists calls. It's just that we can ditch all the warnings at the edit pages if this really IS unresolvable. --Chaos99 12:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Well sadly this bug occurred since Verdy did the edits. As far as I can understand (I'm not a template expert), the functiaonality is now to modularized. But verdy gives a real detailed explaination at User talk:Verdy p#Too_many_parser_calls and he would like to fix it with the assistance of a Wiki Admin --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 14:37, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I've proposed a solution that works more or less for now, but something else must be implemented for the longer term. See my page for the reply and the complete description of the problem and how I solved it (temporarily). There's more work to do, but there's never been any more problem than what there was before, with lany links not appearing properly (I am already performing lots of cleanup within inconsistant links and redirects caused by various renamed pages and a severe lack of maintenance of this wiki for too long).
Yes there remains quirks, but much less than before.
In my opinion, the use of #ifexist should be completely deprecated, and we could avoid having to create many pages for each translation and maintain them, if we could support "autotranslatable templates" like in Wikimedia Commons. This just requires importing a few message resources in the "Mediawiki:" namespace, notably Mediawiki:lang containing "en" (the default language of this wiki) and its subpages (one for each language code, containing exactly the same language codes already listed in the users' Preferences page and supported by MediaWiki's interface translation). With those few small resources the documented wikicode "{{int:lang}}" would work properly instead of returning for now the static string "<lang>" that appears for resources that do not exist in a basepage of the "Mediawiki:" namespace. — Verdy_p (talk) 03:21, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

ParserFunctions version

I have been trying to write a template that formats dates in different languages using the third parameter to the Mediawiki #time function but #time is always returning English names for months. I notice that the language option has only recently been added to the documentation so maybe our ParserFunctions is too old for it to work. --Andrew 09:58, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Mediawiki extension for inclusion of sections

Hi, could somebody of the Wiki-Team evaluate if this extension can be installed (or maybe is already installed)? It would enable to include sections of a wiki page into another, like a definition table from one language version to another.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion

This might hit performance do to parser calls, so please take that into consideration.

Thanks --Chaos99 08:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Shorter Wiki URLs

Both http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/JOSM link to the same page, with the longer version currently being the default URL. But since the wiki already has its own subdomain, the "/wiki" path seems redundant, and the shorter URLs are more readable and handy e.g. when pasting them somewhere. Is it possible to configure the wiki to use the shorter URLs by default? --Tordanik 17:09, 6 April 2012 (BST)

Translations

Hello, I think that translation on this wiki would use some improvement and I've proposed a new system at Talk:Wiki Translation#Translate extension. Thanks, Nemo 10:24, 16 August 2012 (BST)

The referenced discussion ended with the announcement that the extension would be installed during the next MediaWiki upgrade. It seems that a software upgrade has happened yesterday, but the extension is not currently installed. Is this topic still on the admins' roadmap? --Tordanik (talk) 19:28, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Magic prefix for c2.com links

Links to certain external sites can be created using the syntax for internal links with magic prefixes. One popular example is wikipedia:, and I guess we all agree that this one is useful. However, there is also the wiki: prefix for creating links to the obscure site c2.com of the Cunningham & Cunningham, Inc. consultancy (specifically, the links point to their "ContentCreationWiki") that has no obvious connection to OSM. Is there a reason why that site gets special treatment? --Tordanik 08:59, 3 September 2012 (BST)

WikiWikiWeb is the first wiki in history and that's been MediaWiki's interwiki map default since the beginning of time, that's it. --Nemo 09:03, 3 September 2012 (BST)
Interesting, I've never heard of it for some reason. I just wondered because I've not seen these particular interwiki links used much except by accident. If people want to keep that interwiki prefix for historical reasons, that's fine I guess. --Tordanik 09:20, 3 September 2012 (BST)

Missing lines in diffs

I've noticed that there are often blank lines in diffs where there should be text. This seems to be particularly prevalent with (or even limited to?) templates that have one parameter per line, e.g. [3] and [4]. The yellow and green lines should contain the old and new text in that line, respectively, but appear blank. Can others confirm this? --Tordanik 15:36, 2 October 2012 (BST)

Yes I spotted that recently in this edit. As shown, I changed description on the page, but I also changed the version number within the template fields. -- Harry Wood 15:43, 2 October 2012 (BST)
Should be fixed. -- Firefishy (talk) 12:05, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately not fixed: [5] --Tordanik 17:54, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Fighting spam tips

Hi, over at the navit wiki we had to restrict edits/signups to manual confirmation, as a lot of hand made spam was entered. Can anybody give us tipps, how we can keep the wiki open, while avoiding spam attacks? How we does it here at OSM?
What we already tried is:

  • making links no_follow
  • captchas from different providers

Would be nice to hear your suggestions :) --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 10:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

This wiki has sufficient editing activity, and sufficient number of users watching changes happening, that spam gets squashed quite quickly when it arrives. There is actually a background level of spam occurring on this wiki. (see the block log) , so it's not like we actually have a killer solution, other than having lots of active users. Lots of users means that A) spam gets noticed and removed quickly and B) wiki edits related to spam and spam cleanup will disappear off the radar quickly without irritating people too much.
On a less busy wiki it's harder. I was helping out the guys running http://www.openrelief.org/developer wiki which has very little editing activity. I found the only way to kill off spam to a reasonable level was to put a captcha on all edits (not just those containing a link). Even then some spammers will come along and fill in the captcha every few weeks. Very irritating. I guess on a medium-active wiki you might try to put the captcha just on edits containing links, but spammers will come along and add content even if it doesn't contain links, just because they're annoying like that.
I think an important thing to realise with spam fighting is that you need to clean up spam quickly and completely. If you leave spam lingering on your site, then google indexes it, and this encourages more spammers to come along. If you have a wiki riddled with spam, you need to use Extension:Nuke to get rid of it all, then after that, whatever solution you go for, you need to keep an eye on it, and aim to revert spam within a few hours when it comes.
No silver bullet solution sadly
-- Harry Wood 12:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Interesting experiences, thanks for your answer Harry! Will do our best :) --!i! This user is member of the wiki team of OSM 21:27, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
OSM wiki uses...
$wgSpamRegex = "/bunch of words I cannot save on the wiki here/i";
$wgDnsBlacklistUrls = array( 'http.dnsbl.sorbs.net.', 'opm.tornevall.org.' );
require_once( $IP.'/extensions/ConfirmEdit/ReCaptcha.php' );
$wgCaptchaClass = 'ReCaptcha';
require_once( $IP.'/extensions/TorBlock/TorBlock.php');

-- Firefishy (talk) 12:04, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Invert translated local pages

In France, all the regional or departmental pages have the prefix France: and the name of the region, but in french - I think, it's logical. My deparment have a (older) english page as main page, and a "translation" in french - I means, this don't is systematicly. I will restructure the page in french, with subpages etc., and actualize the content. Can someone change the addresses, so that the main page is now french (and the history is'nt deleted) ?

Actualy, the two pages are here : - [6] - [7]

I think, the english page can be moved on the address http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/EN:France:Pyr%C3%A9n%C3%A9es-Orientales, then move the french page on the main page, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/France:Pyr%C3%A9n%C3%A9es-Orientales, and then I can add a redirect for olds bookmarks and links, and create my subpages. --CepVingraunais (talk) 15:32, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I think this should not be done. It probably breaks templates - and possibly parsers - that rely on the convention that non-English pages will use the language prefix if the page exists in more than one language (as I've already said here). --Tordanik 15:50, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
actualy, is not a prefix there (:fr is a suffix). (And the France: prefix already indicate that this is a "french" page...). Then, I have a problem with the subpages. Probably is the hierarchy false, when I put a french page like .../France:Pyrénees_Orientales/subpage -- But all subpages in a very complicated address, where the english page stay the unique english page of this theme ?... The convention, that all region pages of France have the form .../France:region_name is broken too. (sorry, my english is very very bad...) --CepVingraunais (talk) 09:29, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Countdown clock template

D'you think this coundown clock template would work if we copied it here to use on the State Of The Map 2013 page? I'll give it a try some time, unless someone beats me to it. -- Harry Wood (talk) 15:20, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect license information for wiki

The text "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license" wiki's footer links to OpenStreetMap License, which is wrong. Same for the redirect in OpenStreetMap:Copyrights, which is shown to the user when editing a page. --Tordanik 11:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Searching templates

This is an improvement for the search box in the upper right of the page. I extensively use this functionality to check for tags existence. Current search settings do not look into templates. IMO this is problematic as mappers can miss pages when searching tags. I know I can go to Special:Search, click Advanced and check Template checkbox, but it's a pain (and average mapper won't do it). Example of non-matching searches (you need to check the Template checkbox in advanced search to have a pertinent result):

Would it be possible to also search in templates by default? --Oligo (talk) 21:13, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor

Wikimedia Commons has just rolled out the new, easy to use editor to EN pages of Wikipedia. This new editor (know as Visualeditor) is really simple to use [1] and will lower the entry to editing the wiki.

Following wikipedia's lead we should prepare to roll this out on our wiki (Wikipedia intends to complete their roll out within 1 month!). It installs as an extension [2] however currently requires a more up to date version of Mediawiki.

I have also created a Trac ticket [3]

1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:VisualEditor/User_guide
2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor
3] https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4920
--RobJN (talk) 17:33, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

wiki dump

Is wiki dump service still available? This link http://dump.wiki.openstreetmap.org/ is already dead. Kcwu (talk) 08:38, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

It *still* isn't available. Who can get this fixed? --Tordanik 23:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Navigation by use cases

I proposed a reorganisation of the wiki navigation, which is also somehow a larger restructuring project. I would be happy to get your opinions about it. --Cantho (talk) 05:22, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

The logo in this project's user box, {{UserWikiTeam}}, is a Wikipedia-style Serif "W", which, I understand, is a Wikimedia Foundation trademark. It should probably be changed to something more neutral or OSM related. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:39, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

No response, so I've removed it. I suggest replacing it with the "magnifying glass" OSM wiki icon. Anyone know the file name? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:39, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
The logo with the word Wiki on it seems not to be in the File: namespace, certainly there is no osm_logo_wiki.png (using the name from the HTML) or osm_logo_wiki.svg, the plain logo is at File:Public-images-osm_logo.svg. --Andrew (talk) 12:28, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

wiki search

The search results that drop down from the search box while you type don't include redirecting pages anymore. Who can change that? --LordOfMaps (talk) 08:22, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Double redirects

I'm just fixing these, do let me know if there are any problems, or indeed any similar tasks that would be useful to the OSM wiki. Rich Farmbrough (talk)

Thank you, Rich, and welcome to the OSM wiki! Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 07:53, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
A lot of wiki tasks can lead you down rabbit holes of increasing complexity/controversy, but yes, fixing double-redirects is a nice easy one. I tried list some similar nice easy tasks here: WikiProject Cleanup#Ongoing simple cleanup tasks. You're very welcome to get stuck in! -- Harry Wood (talk) 14:06, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

On a more general note, does this wiki allow bots freely, or is there an approval process? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

ORCID identifier template

I created {{User ORCID}}.

ORCIDs (Open Researcher and Contributor IDentifiers) disambiguate people - like an ISBN or DOI, but for humans.

Any OSM editor may register, free, for an ORCID identifier, at the ORCID website.

If you have an ORCID identifier, please use the template on your user page. And please feel free to improve the template! Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:10, 8 June 2014 (UTC)