Proposal talk:Leisure=events
amenity leisure, not landuse
Don't use the key "landuse" for this. It is not intended for such small areas. Your place can fit inside a bigger landuse=residential polygon for instance. The key "amenity" would be better, imho. --Pieren (talk) 17:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Using "amenity" doesn't give the impression that it's a facility? I am not a native speaker of English, but from its definiton ("a desirable or useful feature or facility of a building or place") it seems that it doesn't fully fit the original proposal. Areas like this aren't always small (there are big open areas too). --naoliv (talk) 17:54, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
But those are not generally small areas, where a simple node may be used for describing it (I think this landuse tag can be applied to a node as well as you can see on the proposal); For an example, there is an area in Rio de Janeiro called Campus Fidei that would be used during the Pope visit in Brazil in the WYD 2013(World Youth Day), which didn't happen due to some issues with the terrain, but it is a land that was created specifically for events, and it has an area of over 1 million square kilometers, which is quite big in my opinion. I'd prefer to keep the key like this for now since I don't see restrictions of area for it and it can be used with amenity=community_centre in some cases, where an "amenity=events" couldn't fit :/. I think that I'll wait for other community opinions on it before I change the concept, and I will also be adding some images and more information to the page for better comprehension :). Sincerely, --Wololo (talk) 18:03, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
You have a point, now I see that the "leisure" key indeed fits well and better in this case. Should I edit this proposal's name or do I need to create another one? --Wololo (talk) 18:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Changed the key "landuse" for "leisure", as proposed by the user Pieren, which I find more adequate too. Now the proposal is leisure=events, with the same values. --Wololo (talk) 18:56, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Hmm. Not all events comfortably fit under leisure either. I think a new top level tag is appropriate, especially since default rendering is not appropriate for periodic events. Perhaps: event=circus, name=RBBB, opening_season=1st week of may, website=XXXXXXXX Brycenesbitt (talk) 00:16, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
- Then it will be necessary to have more events under event= (we have, for example, "corn festival", "orange festival", etc, that sometimes also happen on the same place). Maybe just to clarify a little (he will add images later), these places are usually open areas, with a grass/dirt surface. They may or may not have some kind of facilities (toilet, public phone, etc). Here is a good example: http://goo.gl/maps/8LWlp --naoliv (talk) 01:12, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
- What Pieren mentonied at 10:37 on 28 August 2013 below: This tag isn´t supposed for the events hold at a place, it´s about the places itself. Openstreetmap isn´t a time planner, it´s more about a map. ;-) Kiezkickerde (talk) 21:53, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Sometimes several disjoint areas may be used for an event; perhaps we should mark events by a relation? The examples I'm thinking of is where there's an area which is used for the activities of the event, and a nearby field (or several fields) which is used for camping, but the activity area and the camping area aren't adjacent, but joined by a path. Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/235446207 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/235446206 are used as camping for the Land Rover Fest each year, but the actual event takes place at the aquadrome just to the north of it, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/70826139 (however, just to be more complicated, it only uses part of the aquadrome). HillWithSmallFields (talk) 10:05, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
- For clarity, the proposal is about a place designated for events. It's not for events themselves or other places temporarily used for events. Such places have to be tagged for their primary use. --Pieren (talk) 10:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
- The area used for camping would be better tagged for camping. Warin61 (talk) 10:40, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- Exactly what you said: it's a place/area designated for events (and not the event itself). So isn't the original proposal of "landuse=events" more suitable? --naoliv (talk) 19:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Showground
There are places in the UK, USA and Australia that are named and used as 'show grounds'. These are dedicated areas used for yearly 'country shows', 'Easter shows', outdoor concerts ... events if you will. Could these not be tag landuse=showground? Note that the area is not used except for these 'event' things, so it really is a land use, not a temporary once a year thing and then it reverts to something else. Warin61 (talk) 23:46, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sounds more like amenity=events_venue in your case... Kiezkickerde (talk) 01:42, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- The currently wording on the wiki page for events_venue suggests to me that it is intended for buildings. "A stand-alone facility", "has a separate entrance"... that's not what show grounds for yearly fairs and shows are like in Canada (and I think the US). The German version reads a little differently with "Ein Ort oder Einrichtung" but it's still not quite the thing. --Jarek Piórkowski (talk) 02:41, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
For sake of sharing information and looking for tagging solutions: when looking for a tag for wikipedia:en:Exhibition Place I settled on landuse=fairground (taginfo https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=fairground). I searched through the wiki but didn't see any better tag for a fairgrounds area, the best were:
- this proposal, Proposed features/leisure=events kind of related but even less uses than fairground, from 2013, inactive
- Proposed features/show grounds - currently 6 uses worldwide, from 2010, inactive, with a 2016 talk page comment (above) from another Toronto editor.
Suggestions for better tagging welcome! --Jarek Piórkowski (talk) 02:41, 13 February 2020 (UTC)