User talk:Barnes38

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Your changes to advertising tagging

Over the past few months, you have slowly but surely rewritten all advertising-related content in the wiki to match your ideas. This includes most prominently:

  • Key:advertising
  • Template:Proposed:Map Features:advertising (which also silently changes the content of the established advertising proposal, giving the impression that the proposal did include these ideas originally).
  • the Taglist version of the Map features template for advertising, despite the fact that the Taglist conversion explicitly tries to not make content changes: "It seems best to separate (any discussion about) the technical process of switching to Taglists from (discussion about) the tags that should be displayed. Therefore, at this stage we will set up the Taglists for each page in such a way that it displays exactly the same tags as before."

You have also created the page Advertising, again based on your idea of doing things.

This goes counter to the idea that the wiki should reflect community consensus, rather than individual opinions. The Key:advertising page was created only after the proposal had already gained traction in the community. Your changes to this page, however, do not reflect established practice among mappers, but your desire to establish your own ideas. The right tool to do that, though, are proposals, discussions, and other forms of communication.

I realize that I should have contacted you about this sooner, as you have invested a lot of work so already. However, I must still ask you to revert your changes for now. Offer your ideas to review from the community, and let them decide whether they want to adopt your ideas. If and when that happens, you can still restore the current versions of the various pages you edited, so your work would not be lost. Please let's do this the right way. --Tordanik 16:44, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

answer

Hello Tordanik,
Yes these pages have been changed, some addings have been made, mostly by me, but not only by me. Mostly they are addings, and nothing has been removed as far as I know.
I have been preparing these changes over the last year, quite slowly as I have no much time, have been discussing changes with local group of OSM contributors, some other changes with originator of this advertising page, some other changes with other people who are interested with this thematic. I discuss one change on 'tagging' list, quite recently (the one related to 'visibility'). I documented (http://pdfext.github.io/OSM/advertising/) before discussing, discussed (as far as I could organized it) before modifying, so these modifications do not reflect only my own ideas. Modifications were brought on wiki pages very slowly as you noticed, it took several months to do so, and I wanted to take into account potential remarks or reviews from others, but they were none so far. And this tagging has been tested along the way.
Addings were made mainly on "technical descriptions" of advertising devices, which are not so controversial, but of course there can be several ways to to that, in any case time was spent to verify that the advertising devices already is OSM were not tagged as far as these technical descriptions are concerned, therefore, unless I missed something big, it should not go against established practices among mappers. But they are of course many ways of doing things among mappers.
I admit that discussing all points on 'tagging' list would have been the best process to do. Note that I adopted this way of doing recently. But It is not too late to do so, and we can from now organize several threads of discussion on tagging list, on all of the points added ; what are the precise points you want to discuss ? For example let's have one discussion on 'support', one on 'animated', one on 'size', and so on ? So I m ready to take into account your concern. Undoing everything is quite difficult, because of imbrications of multiples pages changes, and translations, it is not a single page and a single change, but ok we must be ready to consider any changes coming from the community. All of that needs to be improved, and reinforced. In any case they are still a lot of things to do. Let's do it. I'm still a recent OSM contributor and have still a lot to learn.
--Barnes38 19:47, January 15th 2017 (UTC)