Proposed features/motorcycle friendly

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Staged voting

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11:00, 17 January 2017 User account Quietus (talk | contribs) was created
((vote|yes)) --[[User:Quietus|Quietus]] 11:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
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13:00, 17 January 2017 User account Landex (talk | contribs) was created
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13:44, 17 January 2017 User account Mk-1-ADV (talk | contribs) was created
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07:12, 17 January 2017 User account Harald2000 (talk | contribs) was created
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20:21, 17 January 2017 User account Ktm-pilot (talk | contribs) was created
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01:17, 18 January 2017 User account TG (talk | contribs) was created
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14:32, 18 January 2017 User account JayHay (talk | contribs) was created
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17:18, 18 January 2017 User account Wonkyconk (talk | contribs) was created
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20:43, 19 January 2017 User account Slamper (talk | contribs) was created
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20:12, 20 January 2017 User account JP-ADV990R (talk | contribs) was created
((vote|yes)) --[[User:JP-ADV990R|JP-ADV990R]] 20:21, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


"tag motorcycle_friendly" for accommodations
Status: Proposed (under way)
Proposed by: rtfm
Tagging: motorcycle_friendly=yes / no / customary
Applies to: Node, Area
Definition: to mark hotels / campings a.s.o. in case they especially welcome bikers
Drafted on: 2017-01-10

Proposal

motorcycle_friendly=yes (according to the current documentation, see motorcycle_friendly=*)

for accommodations which offer

  • secure parking (not necessarily a garage)
  • tools for minor repairs
  • drying room (for wet clothes)
  • tour tips and informations about motorcycle-related POIs in the region.

motorcycle_friendly=customary

Every other which is "motorcycle friendly", but has less or no special offers, will be tagged as "customary".

motorcycle_friendly=no

Those who don't accept motorcyclists at all

Alternative / additional Proposal

(See discussion tab - Assessment of tag) As some mentioned the "yes" option described above would be too subjective, and to make it possible to filter on any of the details.

  • motorcycle:tools=yes/no
  • motorcycle:parking=garage/shelter/court/no (For the tourism=* - tag, similar to outdoor_seating=yes. Enables frontends to filter this)
  • motorcycle:tours=guided/info (either guided tours or information material)
  • motorcycle:theme=yes for amenities (restaurant/pub/bar) in case motorcycle_friendly won't be approved (again) in the 2nd voting.

(also see "Additional keys" in shop=bicycle)

  • drying:room=yes/heated/no , drying:compartment=yes/no/heated , drying:dryer=convection/inertised/microwave

(New key Proposed_features/drying necessary ? As the same accommodation may offer this also for bicycle/skiing a.s.o., it's kept sport-neutral)

Rationale

There are many websites / databases offering an "overview" of motorbike- friendly accommodation, but there should be a non-proprietary definition within OSM, as several of them don't have criteria for "motorcycle friendly" and just list any hotel. A worldwide "reference" isn't available, anyway.

Examples

Tagging

motorcycle_friendly=yes/no/customary

AND

motorcycle:*=*

Applies to

  • tourism=camp_site
  • tourism=hotel
  • tourism=hostel
  • tourism=motel
  • tourism=guest_house
  • amenity=restaurant/pub/bar (there are some specialized, see Wikipedia:Biker_bar)

Rendering

  • Usage as GPX POIs on Garmin devices
  • Usage in navigation apps

Features/Pages affected

  • kurviger.de is about to implement it
  • OsmAnd is currently implementing motorcycle POIs
  • Unterkunftskarte.de will rebuild the page and possibly refer to it

External Discussions

motorcycle_friendly

Proposed_features/drying

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031543.html

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/subject.html#31403

Comments

Please comment on the discussion page.

Voting

There has been a voting before which has certainly been announced to the mailing list : Betreff: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations Datum: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:46:19 +0100 An: tagging@openstreetmap.org

There were one week of RFC state and three weeks of voting (instead of 2/2). As some consider this as formally wrong, the process is restarted.

For some reason this message was not sent from the list: [1] --Dieterdreist (talk) 15:41, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

It turned out the process didn't work according to the automatic message's text that was sent in this case (review or reply) rtfm Rtfm (talk) 00:58, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Details : https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031403.html


First voting

  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --JP-ADV990R (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Quietus (talk) 11:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Gvinci (talk) 11:08, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Maxticli (talk) 11:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Landex (talk) 13:02, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Mk-1-ADV (talk) 14:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Harald2000 (talk) 14:08, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Ktm-pilot (talk) 22:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --TG (talk) 01:28, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --JayHay (talk) 14:36, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Wonkyconk (talk) 17:21, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. It is a lonely key, there more categories that could use a friendly version, see dicussion page, I like to vote for a more common used version --AllroadsNL (talk) 13:24, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal. --Slamper (talk) 22:34, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. I agree with AllroadsNL, but why you start voting after 7 days? For me this looks like a "let me push a new key into OSM in under 30 days" --Luschi (talk) 16:13, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I approve this proposal I approve this proposal, a similar tag may be proposed for the bicycle friendliness.. --erkinalp 16:05, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal, I think a subkey approach like AllroadsNL suggested would be better. --Gileri (talk) 21:21, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Second voting

  • I oppose this proposal I oppose this proposal. Establishing a "friendly:" namespace is a very bad precedent and will encourage subjectivity. If you want to tag secure parking, tools, and drying rooms, do those independently. A drying room is useful for hikers and cyclists as well, and should therefore be tagged as `drying_room=yes` rather than with a motorbike-specific tag. --Richard (talk) 18:53, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
I agree that it is better to tag several properties with the relevant features rather than only an aggregated property and we should encourage anyway to add available detail like the mentioned drying room. Still there have been examples on the mailing list which were specifically about the "friendly" part, like the laundromat which prohibited use for hikers or the accomodation that stated "hikers welcome" on a sign. --Dieterdreist (talk) 19:12, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

As discussion is taking place now .. and discussion should be open untill at least 19th March, voting should not be open yet? Your comments could be made either in the discussion page or on the tagging list. Warin61 (talk) 22:04, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I suppose that anyone with good ideas like a new key "drying_room=yes" should create a separate RFC and just leave a comment here to be considered (instead of just voting "no" unless the voting didn't even start yet). rtfm Rtfm (talk) 20:30, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Generally, in the history of this RFC, there were a couple of non-consrtuctive comments such as "think wider" or "much too vague" (without any proposal what they imagined instead). There should IMHO be a "code of conduct" regarding RFCs to which should be linked to in the "proposal process" as well as from the RFC form. rtfm Rtfm (talk) 20:30, 6 March 2017 (UTC)