Talk:Proposed features/courtyard

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I think this is a feature we do need for some contexts (e.g. the so-called "European City", meaning cities like Vienna or Berlin, that have grown immensely in the beginning of the 20th century, and which have had a lot of these inner courtyards due to the attempt of the cities to save money on the construction of public roads: they increased the city blocks hoping that this would lead to private roads which would have been paid for by the residents, but the actual result were very dense structures, separated by courtyards and covered connections underneath/inside the buildings). As some of these structures have become very big, up to 7 courtyards in a line, they are often numbered (e.g. 1. Hof, 2. Hof, 3. Hof) or referred to by letters (e.g. A, B, C, D). The natural key for this kind of information would be the key ref=*. --Dieterdreist (talk) 12:16, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

That's why I included it in the list of useful combinations. --Fkv (talk) 13:20, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Highway?

What is the difference between <man_made=courtyard> and <highway=pedestrian> + <area=yes>? --Biff (talk) 18:58, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

A courtyard is an area enclosed by a building, while a highway=pedestrian is a traffic area. A courtyard may contain a pedestrian area, and the areas may even be congruent (in that case, you can combine those tags), but on the other hand, a courtyard may not contain a pedestrian area at all. Many courtyards contain parking lots, or grass and bushes or even trees. Similarly, a pedestrian area need not be located within a courtyard. See wikipedia:Pedestrian zone for examples. Note that a street canyon is not a courtyard. --Fkv (talk) 21:42, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

"open to the sky"

Thanks for the great proposal, I definitely support it! Though I'd propose to allow covered courtyards to, not only those "open to the sky". It would be useful e.g. for the Comitéhof in the Munich Residenz. Cheers, --Marsupium (talk) 10:19, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

We could consider a subtag like man_made=courtyard + courtyard=atrium, but I would like to keep the definition simple and unambiguous. We need to draw a clear line what is a courtyard in OSM, and what isn't. From a historical perspective, the Comitéhof is a courtyard, but from a technical perspective, it is a building part (containing only one big room) with a glass roof. If the roof were made of concrete, we certainly wouldn't call it a courtyard anyway. It's just the transparent roof that preserves the appearance of the former courtyard. If we include glass roofs in our man_made=courtyard definition, we open Pandora's box. E.g. greenhouses could then also be tagged as courtyards. Another problem is that the vertical range of an atrium cannot be defined by one single level=*. You also need to specify the level of the roof, or you specify a range using a building:levels=* tag. That again indicates that an atrium is rather a building part than a courtyard. --Fkv (talk) 22:34, 8 March 2017 (UTC)