Talk:Tag:place=hamlet

Since a tag for the isolated dwellings has been approved, I think it could be useful tagging the lesser hamlets (1 to 20-100 inhabitants) specifically whenever they are not found into some outback.

• either by introducing a specific tag : little hamlet or any equivalence (seems a little complicated)
• or putting them on the same level as "locality" : no use of establishing a hierarchy for the routing at those levels , but keeping efficiency, as the routing softwares know this tag. In fact, they create a useful and trouble free typographic hierarchy .

--Ch. Rogel 22:17, 28 September 2011 (BST)

Hamlets in Brazil

In Brazil, the hamlets are inside the admin_level=10, whereas OSM (nominatim) shows the hamlet inside the admin_level=7. That is to me hard to understand. It's like if hamlets were independent from municipalities (admin_level=8), what in Brazil, is impossible. What's the explanation about that?

Santamariense (talk) 16:14, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Hamlet vs Village

Tag:place=hamlet currently says "an isolated settlement, typically with less than 100-200 inhabitants, although this may vary by country." Meanwhile, Tag:place=village says "A settlement with between 1,000 and 10,000 inhabitants, although this may vary by country." But this leaves a big gap for settlements with between 200 and 1,000 inhabitants. Which tag is typically appropriate for these? Unless there's another tag in between, I think the maximum typical number for "hamlet" should be the same as the minimum typical number for "village". Can this be clarified? Krubo (talk) 16:57, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Completeley agree. I propose the following decimal clasification:

0 inhabitants > place=locality

1-9 inhabitants > place=isolated_dwelling

10-99 inhabitants > place=hamlet

100-999 inhabitants > place=big_hamlet

1,000-9,999 inhabitants > place=village

10,000-99,999 inhabitants > place=town

100,000 or more inhabitants > place=city

If someone can find a better name than big_hamlet, please propose it. --Iagocasabiell (talk) 08:52, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

The wiki page place=village is not really correct about the average sizes of settlements tagged with place=village - in some densely-populated parts of Europe, it's true that most villages have a few thousand inhabitants, but in many other places the average village size is less than 1000 people. Also, most places with 9000 to 10,000 people are tagged as place=town, not village. And most settlements with 80 to 90,000 people are tagged place=city. So it's appropriate to use place=village for places with a few hundred to 1000 people, in most parts of the world. In the past some other place names have been proposed, like small_village, large_village, etc, but the current 5 level tag system for populated places is already complicated enough. Please added population=* if known; this also makes it clear if something is a large or small village, or large / small town. --Jeisenbe (talk) 14:06, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I would add a comment in the wiki of place=hamlet and place=village explaining this fact, something like "an isolated settlement, typically up to 400 inhabitants, although this may vary by country." for place=hamlet, and "A settlement with between 400 and 10,000 inhabitants, although this may vary by country." for place=village. This way if in doubt there's a default choice:

0 inhabitants > place=locality

1-9 inhabitants > place=isolated_dwelling

10-399 inhabitants > place=hamlet

400-9,999 inhabitants > place=village

10,000-99,999 inhabitants > place=town

100,000 or more inhabitants > place=city

Do you aprove? --Iagocasabiell (talk) 14:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

See Talk:Tag:place=town - the median town population is as low as 3000 in Canada, and 4000 in Greece, and even in Switzerland (which is usually pretty consistent) there are towns with as few as 2000 population. The global average town size appears to be 10k, but ranges from 3k (Canada) to 30k (Japan). Most towns are between 3k and 50k though.

I'm checking villages now; it appears the average village population is about 500 to 1000, though there are many villages with less than 200 inhabitants the USA and Canada. Only 175 Swiss villages have population>5000, but 267 have poplulation<200. And I've reviewed cities; the average city is about 100k, and many are 50k to 100k, some as small as 10k or less. It really depends on the country:

So it's more like:

place=locality - don't use if there is a more specific tag, but yes, population=0

1 or 2 households > place=isolated_dwelling

2 households to 100 or 200 inhabitants > place=hamlet

100-10k inhabitants (but usually 200 to 5k) > place=village

1k - 100k inhabitants (but usually 3k to 50k) > place=town

50k or more inhabitants (but sometime as small as 10k, sometimes limited to >100k in certain countries) > place=city

In general, I wouldn't focus too much on the population cut-off; local importance, shown by presence of features like a place_of_worship (in a village), a market (or supermarket) and other services (town), and major regional services like universities, government offices, entertainment, hospitals, etc (city), and just check that the population is in the right range. --Jeisenbe (talk) 15:54, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

I generated a formal proposal for the classification criteria here: Proposed_features/Populated_settlements_classification --Iagocasabiell (talk) 01:53, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

I see the proposal is not active (abandoned), however there is a need to clarify this gap. I see there are some initiatives to standardize the quantity per place category, but we need to be sure the community agrees the change. Can someone reactivate this proposal and continue with it until the approval? AngocA (talk) 13:55, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, anyone can continue - including you. You may prefer to copy this page and make own proposal based on it, especially if you plan to make some changes Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:34, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Rendering note

Note hamlets may dissapear when zoomed in. Jidanni (talk) 07:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)