Users:Oddityoverseer/Shops to Render

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This page is intended to create a running list of what might be rendered under a "shop=*" rendering style. This page is directly related to this Github issue: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/116

For anyone who might be wondering "Why not just render anything where the "shop" key has a value?", there's a few reasons. Firstly, it encourages typos; if someone maps a shop=yess by accident, they wouldn't know because it would get rendered just like the others. By explicitly not rendering those, it encourages the mapper to go back and see what they did wrong. Secondly, it encourages multiple values with the same meaning. For example, if we render shop=seafood, shop=sea_food, shop=fish and shop=fishmonger which one is preferred?

Guidelines

The guidelines for this list are still being hashed out, and if you have a reason to change them, say something in the Discussion page. Currently, the guidelines are to include anything with over 100 uses according to taginfo, and exclude anything in the "blacklist" below.

Tags to render (in order of popularity)

supermarket, convenience, clothes, bakery, hairdresser, car_repair, car, kiosk, doityourself, butcher, florist, mall, bicycle, furniture, alcohol, books, electronics, shoes, department_store, yes, hardware, jewelry, optician, chemist, gift, garden_centre, greengrocer, mobile_phone, beverages, computer, beauty, sports, laundry, toys, confectionery, travel_agency, stationery, hifi, motorcycle, variety_store, newsagent, dry_cleaning, vacant, pet, car_parts, boutique, outdoor, tyres, video, deli, copyshop, estate_agent, funeral_directors, music, fishmonger, art, organic, fabric, general, photo, pharmacy, second_hand, kitchen, tailor, farm, seafood, tobacco, charity, massage, paint, musical_instrument, interior_decoration, trade, energy, antiques, insurance, erotic, ticket, tattoo, hearing_aids, frame, bed, wine, curtain, pawnbroker, carpet, food, ice_cream, grocery, baby_goods, bookmaker, betting, cosmetics, glaziery, bathroom_furnishing, fish, tea, winery, fashion, shoe_repair, photo_studio, solarium, craft, medical_supply, locksmith, hunting, cheese, perfumery, market, bag, coffee, household, discount, radiotechnics, money_lender, gas, other, appliance, wholesale, herbalist, lottery, fishing, vacuum_cleaner, video_games, communication, bags, houseware, builder, gallery, hobby, shopping_centre, salon, office_supplies, pets, musical_instruments, watches, dive, furnace, scuba_diving, gambling, leather, photography, pottery, motorcycle_repair, printing, medical, lighting,


Tags to not render (blacklist)

no -- Obviously, this is not a shop, so don't render it as one

fixme -- These are shops that need their tagging fixed

vacant -- These are not currently shops. If they get rendered as shops, it will probably confuse users ("This shop isn't here anymore...why is it still on the map?") Maybe at some point, a different rendering style can be added for these.

drugstore -- See the entry for drugstore on Key:Shop

Tags under discussion

undecided

estate_agent

What is the difference between shop=estate_agent and office=estate_agent? Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

the general difference between the tag office and shop is that shop is more oriented towards customers entering, while office is describing working spaces that are less open to visitors. Of course almost every shop also has a back office, so if there is both I'd use shop. --Dieterdreist (talk) 09:32, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

general

Should we encourage this? How does it differ from shop=convenience? Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

From the wiki and discussions, it seems that the difference with convenience is that they sell more DIY and less food. To me it sounds like a useful distinction (unless we start a convenience=* tagging scheme), although fairly cultural and using an awfully-misleading term. --Vincent De Phily (talk) 08:19, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

art

Should we consider art galleries as shops? Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

farm

Maybe shop=farm_produce would be clearer? Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC) . See also https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3906 Brycenesbitt (talk) 23:46, 13 January 2014 (UTC) . Farm is special in that these often appear in sparse areas. Barring dynamic zoom, these could appear at a greater scale than normal, so one can actually see them in vast empty areas.

market

Unclear what this is. Math1985 (talk) 16:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

communication

Unclear what this is. Math1985 (talk) 16:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

glaziery

Shouldn't it be craft=glaziery? Perhaps not if the shop has a showroom? Math1985 (talk) 16:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

boutique

How is it distinguished from shop=clothes? Math1985 (talk) 16:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

There was a better wording for it hidden somewhere in the past, but here goes: when most people need a new shirt, they want something "normal", not something that costs ten times what you'd normally pay, just because it has a label by some famous designer. A boutique only sells the stuff where the brand makes up virtually all of the price. Alv (talk) 20:42, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
It is of course highly subjective. What I pay consider normal prices might be different from what you consider normal prices. Also, there is probably no hard distinguishing line. Would you consider a shop like this a boutique? Also, in Morocco, ZARA probably charges 10 times as much as a local vendor. Does that make ZARA a boutique in Morocco? Math1985 (talk) 00:27, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

fashion

Should probably be replaced with shop=clothes. Math1985 (talk) 16:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

household

What do they sell? Does it include selling cleaning tools and decoration?

Is this a household shop? The shop is usually not much larger than this, so I would say that it does not really merit to be called shop=department_store. Also, it doesn't have departments... Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC) by reading the wiki e.g Map_Features#Do-it-yourself.2C_household.2C_building_materials.2C_gardening I came to tagging such a shop (Blokker Marskramer) as "'houseware" household seems not to be documented so I would render houseware and not household.--SimonvdP (talk) 16:27, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

medical

What is the meaning of this? Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

wine vs winery vs wine_cellar

Overlaps with shop=wine. Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Adding wine_cellar to the overlap.--Vincent De Phily (talk) 08:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

craft

Is this a shop selling wool, sewing, etc., or a shop selling things for artists, like pencils, paint, etc? Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

IMHO it is a bad wording, as it doesn't really explain what it is about. For a generic shop I'd use "handycraft" (clearer in meaning) and there is also "shop=hobby" that might be describing the same kind of shop. --Dieterdreist (talk) 09:23, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

bookmaker versus betting

How do they differ? Math1985 (talk)

I can't think of a difference; I'd be in favor of promoting "bookmaker" since it has the statistical edge, but the difference is slight.--Vincent De Phily (talk) 08:36, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

shopping_centre versus mall

How do they differ? Perhaps we should encourage use of the first, as mall is American English? Math1985 (talk) 16:53, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

discount versus variety_store

How do they differ? Math1985 (talk)

trade

It is not clear what this is. I use it for places that sell, for example, bricks. I also don't like the tag, though. Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


Valid

charity

What is the difference with shop=secondhand? Charity shops are a well-known concept in the UK though, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_shop . Brits always refer to these shops as 'charity shops' instead of 'second hand shops'. Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

alcohol vs wine

Should we have distinguished shops for shop=alcohol and shop=wine? Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

IMHO yes, in my perception, "alcohol shops" are for regions which are very restrictive to selling alcohol (countries like the USA or Iran), while in most countries of the world you will buy alcohol anywhere you also buy food. A wine shop instead is a place selling mainly or exclusively wine, a typology that is quite common in many European countries. --Dieterdreist (talk) 09:57, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

glaziery

This is a shop that sells window panes. Is glaziery a term well-understood by natives? I had to look it up. I think if it has a showroom, then shop might be better than craft? Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

doityourself versus hardware

The distinction is not clear. Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

For Italy that's easy: a hardware store is called "ferramenta" and a do it your self shop is called "fai da te", but the latter is usually more specific (do it your self wood shop for instance, I am not aware of others). --Dieterdreist (talk) 09:24, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

perfumery vs chemist vs beauty

Isn't a perfumery a kind of chemist? Math1985 (talk)

I'd not see it like this, +1 to having perfumery as dedicated shop value, at a chemist you'll be able to buy toilet paper, cleaning products, baby products and more while a perfumery sells mostly perfumes and maybe make up. I'd see more overlap with shop=beauty (but that's also a distinct shop in my opinion). --Dieterdreist (talk) 10:00, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
+1 for keeping those 3 separate. While they are rare, here is a shop that definitely doesn't fit the "chemist" or "beauty" label.--Vincent De Phily (talk) 08:30, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Discouraged / rejected

other

Should we encourage this? Math1985 (talk) 16:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Obviously not. Please remove! --Dieterdreist (talk) 09:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
While I sympathise with contributors struggling to find the right category for a shop, the proper value if you don't know better is shop=yes. --Vincent De Phily (talk) 08:21, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

ice_cream

Should probably either be amenity=ice_cream for take away places or amenity=cafe with cuisine=ice_cream for inplace icecream eating? Math1985 (talk) 16:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Isn't it already present? Tag:amenity=ice_cream --Darkswan (talk) 20:29, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

insurance

Shouldn't this be office?

probably yes --Dieterdreist (talk) 10:01, 30 August 2013 (UTC)