Dance hall vs Dance school
Would you want to tag both of these the same? The dance schools around here aren't open to anyone (well, I guess anyone could subscribe for a term of lessons) and beverages aren't served (although the staff have a kettle in the staff room). It may be better to use separate tags, or find a scheme which at least distinguishes between the two.
Having said that there aren't really any dance halls around here. --EdLoach
- Separating these two would be appropriate. Countries that don't have dance halls still has dance schools. And as dance school is not really a school (as in amenity=school) it should be tagged separately. Is it then amenity=dance_school? Anyway, I think dance schools can be excluded from this tag. --Jrutila 10:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- The problem here is that in Australia and New Zealand, most (all?) of the dedicated dance halls are actually dance schools as well. Weekday evenings and weekend days, they teach. Weekend evenings, they are a dance hall - open to all (though a lot of the people who come will be present or past students). They can't pay their way on just the dances alone. The dances that aren't part of a dance school are almost all in multi-purpose community owned halls. They are just one of many groups who can hire the hall for their own reasons. (wedding receptions, birthday parties, meetings, karate lessons etc). I'm not sure you can mark these as dance halls, even if they are used that way every weekend. DancingFool 00:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
This starts to sound something like this: leisure=dance, dance:school=yes, dance:type=international. And so if we have multipurpose halls they could have multiple tags. --Jrutila 04:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Dance hall vs Nightclub
- Well, in many ways
- Audience: In dance halls the audience is lite more mature than in nightclubs. They are also seeking different things. If one wants to dance waltz, tango, jive or other ballroom dances he/she does not search for nightclub (well, at least not in Finland), he/she searches a dance hall.
- Organization: Nightclubs are usually owned and administred by some company. Dance halls tend to be more non-profit things (not all) driven by volunteers (not all) and associations (not all, again).
- Price: Okay, these might be the same but usually high ticket price in dance hall indicates high profile artist. There is seldom any high profile artists in night clubs (the usual ones) and cost is just for getting in.
- Music: Nightclubs usually have DJ:s with collection of discs. Dance halls have always live band.
- Maybe in Finland, not everywhere. In Australia, a few have live bands, more have live bands sometimes, but not always, and many run from a DJ. It depends on the style of dance - Old time dances are more likely to have a band, street latin dances rarely do. DancingFool 00:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Opening times: Nightclubs are usually open all year. Dance halls (again, in Finland) are open during summer (there is exceptions of course).
- Location: Nightclubs are located in cities inside bigger complexes. There can be dance hall in a little town with 1000 residents.
- Maybe in Finland. However in Germany there are many large nightclubs in rural places, especially in the neighbourhood of a motorway.
So, they are quite far away from each other and don't compensate each other. Yes, you can get drunk on both places and you can dance (different style) on both places, but that's about it. Good point though and I thought this myself, but you really can't call these places nightclubs. (OFFTOPIC: Should the amenity=nightclub be little more informative than just drinking and dancing?).--Jrutila 20:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- My take on this. Nightclubs are places to drink, socialize, meet people, and maybe do a little dancing. It is not at all uncommon to have people go to a nightclub who can't/won't dance, or dance just once or twice in an evening. Dance halls are about dancing first - you don't go to one if you can't dance properly (or are at least learning to do so). Excess drinking is usually discouraged, as it interferes with the dancing - many dance-halls in Australia serve no alcohol at all. DancingFool 00:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- There may be surely many locations, which have some aspects of dance halls and some of night clubs. A strictly segregation will not always work.
What type of dance
It should be interesting to add tag for the type of dance you can do in the hall. Example:
International_style = yes Disco = yes Historical_dance = no Latin = yes
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballroom_dance#Dances --FabC 19:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, as long as we keep it on the right level (disco, international, historical, latin). For example nightclubs could have disco=yes.
- Tagging for waltz or tango or jive is not appropriate because it depends pretty much on the performer. Actually there is dance hall specific "guaranteed" dance types so those would be, in my opinion, quite safe to tag. --Jrutila 20:41, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- I agree, let's propose some high level classification like dance:type=International_style, Disco, Latin. We could use the wikipedia page as reference.
- Specific value(s) could be added if the hall is really specialised in a particoular dance. --FabC 17:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
This is my first feature proposal so I'm asking should the proposal of the high level classification be ready now, or can I put this on vote and then we can decide the dance type classification later?
What means "dance:teaching=yes"?
Simple boolean values for dance:teaching=* won't be detailed enough. I think it's a difference between a public dancing school and a dancing sport club; but in both types the members/customers are teached.
I suggest to use instead of boolean values a set of following enumeration values:
- dance:teaching=school a public dancing school
- dance:teaching=training a dancing sport club, a training center etc.
- dance:teaching=no no education at all, usefull for a disco, a nightclub etc.
Maybe other users have more ideas about types of teaching? --Iknopf 07:10, 11 May 2012 (BST)