Proposal talk:Driveway
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- What is the advantage of this over highway=service? The two seem to be synonymous. --Edgemaster 00:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- Seconded. I use highway=service and access=private. - LastGrape 00:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- umm, mostly that highway=service is not for driveways. Compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driveway and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley#Other_terms --Hawke 03:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- The Wikipedia Alley article describes an alley as "a narrow, pedestrian lane found in urban areas". From its Map Features description highway=service could potentially be used by vehicles, not be narrow and not limited to urban areas. highway=service obviously is not a direct mapping to the wikipedia definition of alley.--Thewinch 12:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- Read the specific section I linked to: The term "service road" is also used in the United Kingdom for a back road giving access to shops and retail units. See also the picture at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alley.JpG --Hawke 17:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- I don't get how you make the leap from an alley can be called a service road in the UK to highway=service = alley. Map Features is where tags are defined and the description for highway=service is "generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc. This is also commonly used for access to parking and trash collection. Sometimes called an alley, particularly in the US.". Wikipedia:Driveway says "A driveway is a type of private road for local access to one or a small group of structures, and is owned and maintained by an individual or group.". Is than not pretty much the same as "generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc."? --Thewinch 19:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- There is no leap. highway=service is what in the UK is called a "service road", and in the US (generally, AFAIK) called an "alley" (not to be confused with the UK meaning of alley: a footway between buildings).
- Driveways and service roads are similar, in that both can provide "access to a building". However, compare a private campground or corporate road (highway=service, access=private) to a driveway (which you suggest mapping as highway=service,access=private). In the former case, while it is private, it is generally acceptable for the public to drive on them (e.g. going to a campsite, visiting a retail establishment or a corporate building). In the latter case it is at least socially unacceptable (to the point of being dangerous in some areas), and undoubtedly illegal in some jurisdictions, under trespassing laws. Service roads/alleys may be considered for routing, and should be rendered on the main map, while driveways should only be considered for routing if they are the destination address and should not be rendered on most maps. --Hawke 22:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- I don't get how you make the leap from an alley can be called a service road in the UK to highway=service = alley. Map Features is where tags are defined and the description for highway=service is "generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc. This is also commonly used for access to parking and trash collection. Sometimes called an alley, particularly in the US.". Wikipedia:Driveway says "A driveway is a type of private road for local access to one or a small group of structures, and is owned and maintained by an individual or group.". Is than not pretty much the same as "generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc."? --Thewinch 19:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Read the specific section I linked to: The term "service road" is also used in the United Kingdom for a back road giving access to shops and retail units. See also the picture at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alley.JpG --Hawke 17:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- The Wikipedia Alley article describes an alley as "a narrow, pedestrian lane found in urban areas". From its Map Features description highway=service could potentially be used by vehicles, not be narrow and not limited to urban areas. highway=service obviously is not a direct mapping to the wikipedia definition of alley.--Thewinch 12:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- umm, mostly that highway=service is not for driveways. Compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driveway and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley#Other_terms --Hawke 03:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- I agree that this would be useful. I currently tag these as highway=service, but it would be nice to differentiate. Think of a suburban house with a big lawn and a gravel track leading to a garage -- driveway sounds much more fitting. Plus, just mapping driveway to service + private isn't that big a deal for the software. Robx 08:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- I think that highway=service and access=private is really sufficient here. Having too much slightly different highway types is very confusing to our mappers, so I would like to avoid this. - Ulfl 13:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- I also tag this with highway=service and access=private. Never had the feeling that a new tag with necessary here... Pieren 16:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
- Some pictures to show the intended difference to highway=service would help. -- Fröstel 18:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alley.JpG shows a service road ("Alley" in the US). Things to note in that picture: Garages and residence parking directly off the service road; service road/alley typically goes through from one road to another (rather than being a dead end); many residences serviced by one service road/alley; trash collection access (note the trash cans) --Hawke 17:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- I imagine all are familiar with driveways, but just in case: http://www.localbiznewsites.com/klco/images/Wilcox%20stamped%20Driveway%20014.jpg, http://www.exteriordesignsofalexandria.com/images/walks_driveway7a.gif, http://www.billkerns.com/Driveway_S-curve_with_concrete-from_above.jpg --Hawke 18:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- I would think a service road small enough to be only a driveway is hardly worth tagging? --DrMark 19:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
- You recognize that there is a difference though, right? A service road is not a driveway. --Hawke 17:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- As a driveway is some sort of private residential access, it would be unmappable except for the owner of the residence, so we would need one mapper per residence ... and furthermore it would be with no use --PhilippeP 20:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- It could also be mapped using aerial photography; also, some driveways are long enough (with curves, etc.) that mapping could be useful. As a precedent, the TIGER data has many driveways already mapped, though I'll not vouch for its accuracy. --Hawke 22:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- I can see the use of this in rual areas where residences have mile long driveways. The Driveway_S-curve_with_concrete-from_above.jpg [1] is what I have in mind when maping driveways. I would change the tag to discribe it better as highway=private_drive Nickvet419 04:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- highway=service access=private could work but this also seems to be an issue with lanes=number_of_lanes --Nickvet419 21:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
- Proposed features/service=parking aisle is now in voting and should cover driveways.--Nickvet419 20:42, 4 August 2008 (UTC)