Talk:Proposed features/amenity=baking oven

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Isn't that covered by man_made=kiln already? The English definition mentions baking, and the German page has a picture of an over for baking.

--Yvanoé 12:35, 13 October 2016 (UTC): Thanks for the tip, but in my opinion (I am not so good with English language) it is very rarely for cooking, see for example the Wikipedia page that does not even mention cooking. On the other hand, the tag I propose would apply to buildings that are built as baking oven.

--Phoks (talk) 13:26, 13 October 2016 (UTC): I think a man_made=kiln would not fit here, because a kiln is meant to melt or dry industrial stuff, like pottery, cement or charcoal. The introduction of an amenity=baking_oven sounds like a good idea to me. Our tagging group UlmerAlb already was searching for a proper tag to tag such ovens that are meant for baking bread and are mostly accessible publicly, sometimes to a closed user group, e.g. a countrywomen club.

--Phoks (talk) 13:31, 13 October 2016 (UTC): I additionally would suggest an optional tag public=* for denoting an oven building to be publically accessible or not.

--Yvanoé 16:39, 13 October 2016 (UTC): Mark Gemis gave an interesting link on the mailing list to help on this topic: list of ovens. Also, I agree with Phoks that public=* would be useful. Do not hesitate to include this in the proposal if you know how to do it :)

If it were for the baking facilitiy only, then I think amenity=banking_oven does fit, but if it is for the building, then building=bakehouse or amenity=bakehouse would be more appropriate, I think. I'd love to be able to tag the building, because in south-western Germany, these buildings are usually in the village center and often have "Backhaus" (EN: "Bakehouse") written on them. This visually indicates some importance for the building itself, not only for the oven (which in some cases is disused, while the building continues to be "the bakehouse"). Tagging the building (or a node inside) with amenity=baking_oven appears to not really match their character. --Meillo (talk) 15:13, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

--Yvanoé 17:39, 13 October 2016 (UTC): The last comment is very interesting, and I agree that building=bakehouse or amenity=bakehouse would be better. However, do you think it would be possible to have one tag that fits "European bakehouse" but also other sorts like horno and tabun oven, or these other sorts should have another tag? Concerning the fact that it is sometimes disused, we could use disused:building=bakehouse.

I'm for using both amenity=baking_house and amenity=baking_oven, as supported by Martin and and Dave on Tagging. The first is for the building without regarding the interior. The style and size of baking houses should be typical for the regions and so an own building value is warranted. I'm also against re-using oven=* here. The tag is meant as a supporting tag for e.g. a restaurant and not for marking a public amenity. A public oven in a baking house should be under the key amenity=*.

--Jojo4u (talk) 20:02, 21 October 2016 (UTC)