8-8-2014-HOT-CWG-Log
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IRC Log from 8th August 2014 Meeting of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team Communications Working Group
1 13:59:47 <wonderchook> hi all the communications working group meeting is going to get started shortly
2 14:00:22 *** chebizarro (~bizarro@c-98-246-210-103.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #hot
3 14:00:50 <wonderchook> here is our agenda and minutes: https://hackpad.com/HOT-Communications-Working-Group-Meeting-2-zhAsbP0faBU
4 14:00:59 <wonderchook> please add yourself in there and say "hi" here if you are participating
5 14:01:16 <heatherleson> hey
6 14:01:18 <heatherleson> here
7 14:02:47 <russdeffner> Hello
8 14:03:28 <wonderchook> hi all
9 14:03:43 <chebizarro> hi
10 14:03:46 <wonderchook> if you saw we have two agenda items
11 14:03:48 <wonderchook> unless there are others
12 14:05:39 <heatherleson> hey chebizarro have we met
13 14:05:53 <chebizarro> yes, yes we have
14 14:06:10 <chebizarro> at OSCON 2013 in PDX
15 14:06:15 <clara> hi
16 14:07:07 <wonderchook> hi clara!
17 14:07:26 <wonderchook> so I don't know everyone saw but I put the outline of a terms of reference together: https://hackpad.com/HOT-Communications-Working-Group-Terms-of-Reference-kR9ANNECtGp
18 14:07:39 <wonderchook> the idea being that we would flesh it out and then the board would approve it when we are happy with it
19 14:08:01 <wonderchook> by having the board approve the ToR it gives us some autonomy and authority to operate within the bounds of the working group
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21 14:12:45 <heatherleson> ok
22 14:12:58 <chebizarro> I'm not quite sure how this fits in with any strategic plan for HOT or any communications strategy
23 14:13:14 <chebizarro> would it be part of the working group's remit to develop a communications strategy?
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25 14:16:40 <wonderchook> well I think the main strategic plan would mention having a communications strategy
26 14:16:49 <wonderchook> but then the working group would develop it
27 14:16:52 <heatherleson> y
28 14:21:48 <wonderchook> I added the part about strategy to the ToR
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31 14:24:33 <wonderchook> I'm wondering if conferences should also fall under the group
32 14:24:44 <wonderchook> meaning determining which ones we want to be at and helping people submit talks
33 14:27:10 <russdeffner> I think that would almost be a joint effort with the community WG
34 14:27:43 <wonderchook> yes, I could see that
35 14:27:54 <wonderchook> determining where the community wants to do outreach
36 14:28:02 <wonderchook> but then the communications behind it would fall here
37 14:28:04 <heatherleson> agreed on this
38 14:28:14 <russdeffner> which at the moment might be mostly the same people, so shouldn't be difficult, just need to 'assign' it to one or the other maybe?
39 14:31:12 <wonderchook> for the purpose of the ToR we would put something like "Coordinate with Community Working Group to determine HOT's conference attendance and presentations/workshops to be given"?
40 14:32:42 <heatherleson> would this be a roadblock? sometimes we have no turnaround
41 14:34:25 <wonderchook> can you elaborate?
42 14:35:24 <heatherleson> i would not want to have opportunties have to go through 2 working groups
43 14:35:50 <wonderchook> so I was more talking about seeking opportunities
44 14:36:21 <wonderchook> for example if we decided we should be at ISCRAM then we would want to strategize around who attends and what topic they talk about
45 14:36:29 <wonderchook> so maybe there is a better way to word it
46 14:36:54 <wonderchook> I got asked to keynote something a couple days ago, they had a specific topic and were asking for me. So I would think in that case I'd inform the working group
47 14:36:59 <chebizarro> any comms strategy should also look to identify those conferences that you want HOT to be represented at
48 14:37:48 <chebizarro> so you they can be calendarized well in advance and someone identified to represent the org
49 14:39:48 <chebizarro> in terms of short notice requests, which would be a good opportunity for HOT to be represented at, I think there should be a protocol
50 14:40:39 <chebizarro> and a distinction - sometimes people will be invited to talk about a topic because of who they are, not necessarily because of their role within HOT
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52 14:42:54 <wonderchook> so is there a good way to make this clear in the ToR? Or is this something that would be part of a procedure?
53 14:43:36 <wonderchook> I mean the point is not to block things from happening, just to have a strategy and intent around it
54 14:47:08 <chebizarro> I think you can make this clear in a Strategic Communications Opportunity protocol
55 14:49:33 <russdeffner> still wonder about overlap with Community WG, seeking conferences seems more to that groups objective; maybe Community seeks conferences and finds attendees, Communication helps with material
56 14:52:35 <wonderchook> well, if people are speaking at a conference that is specifically communications
57 14:52:42 <wonderchook> so attending a conference is on thing but speaking is another
58 14:52:53 <wonderchook> just meaning I think communications would have input into that
59 14:53:13 <wonderchook> I really just think the two groups could have a list of conferences that HOT would like to attend for comms or community reasons
60 14:53:16 <russdeffner> yes, I meant more speakers, not jus attendees
61 14:53:17 <wonderchook> and then work out together the details
62 14:54:30 <russdeffner> i.e. Community does the 'organizing', Communications does the 'support' via working on talking points/presentations/etc.?
63 14:54:33 <chebizarro> I would see that there would be conferences that were strategic for HOT which you would want to send someone who had some training and experience
64 14:55:14 <wonderchook> yeah I really think it depends on what conferences we are talking about
65 14:55:17 <chebizarro> and then you would have other conferences which would be good opportunities for volunteers and others from the community to speak in that capacity
66 14:55:35 <wonderchook> the other issue is at a big conference there are only a few "big names" in HOT that will be able to get talks accepted
67 14:56:00 <heatherleson> sorry got called away forwor
68 14:56:31 <chebizarro> The big conferences are also an opportunity for fundraising and networking with other potential partners/donors
69 14:56:54 <chebizarro> this should really be done by someone who has the authority to speak on behalf of the board and executive
70 14:58:42 <wonderchook> so I think the ToR isn't meant to be really specific
71 14:59:00 <wonderchook> so at the moment how about something about the two "C" working groups working together on conferences?
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73 15:02:36 <russdeffner> how about 'In collaboration with the Community WG, provide support for HOT presence at Conferences and other events"?
74 15:02:47 <wonderchook> perfect
75 15:03:04 <russdeffner> ok, will copy it to hackpad
76 15:03:25 <russdeffner> oh, or you can :)
77 15:03:25 <wonderchook> beat you to it;)
78 15:03:37 <wonderchook> so in the ToR hack pad is there anything else missing?
79 15:03:45 <wonderchook> I was going to flesh it out a bit, but I wanted to make sure the topics were there
80 15:04:57 <russdeffner> Do we need to touch on language stuff, i.e. how to best communicate with our non-english speaking community?
81 15:05:52 <wonderchook> I would think that would be in the strategy
82 15:05:57 <wonderchook> not so much the terms of reference
83 15:06:40 <wonderchook> unless we want to specify something about culturally and linguistically appropriate communications
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85 15:07:26 <russdeffner> ok, I think it is acceptable to assume language issues will be fleshed out in strategy building
86 15:10:22 <wonderchook> I'm thinking we can move on with the meeting
87 15:10:28 <wonderchook> to the next agenda item
88 15:10:47 <wonderchook> and I'll make the Hackpad more "terms of referency" prior to the next meeting?
89 15:10:54 <wonderchook> heatherleson: do you have time to talk webmaker?
90 15:11:09 <heatherleson> yes I can type
91 15:12:15 <wonderchook> okay so what is the next step with it/
92 15:12:16 <wonderchook> ?
93 15:12:22 <wonderchook> it is hard to argue that it isn't a good idea
94 15:13:05 <heatherleson> next steps 1 - write hot community and ask
95 15:13:13 <heatherleson> 2. tell mozilla yes.no
96 15:14:43 <russdeffner> regarding step 1, just a simple "anyone have objection?" type message?
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98 15:15:26 <russdeffner> and that would go to whole HOT community or just Members?
99 15:17:19 <russdeffner> Or, is this WG the group to decide these things?
100 15:17:29 <heatherleson> whole
101 15:19:35 <wonderchook> +1 to whole
102 15:20:33 <russdeffner> ok, just clarifying
103 15:20:36 <russdeffner> sounds good
104 15:22:30 <wonderchook> heather should we write a quick email together in the next couple days and then one person sends it out?
105 15:22:39 <wonderchook> and by "we" I mean the CWG
106 15:22:56 <wonderchook> which in this case will be the people attending now and those that said they were interested but couldn't attend?
107 15:31:48 <heatherleson> yes
108 15:34:01 <wonderchook> I'll take it as an action item to start the email and then mail everyone
109 15:34:14 <wonderchook> I had 1 final discussion topic. Which was simply how often should we meet?
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111 15:38:17 <russdeffner> Maybe to start out we should shoot for every 1-2 weeks until we get more of the strategy/documentation done, then relax it a bit to once a month?
112 15:43:33 <wonderchook> I was inclined to every 2 weeks
113 15:43:36 <wonderchook> for start-up
114 15:43:41 <wonderchook> so that sounds good
115 15:43:47 <wonderchook> maybe we'll doodle for the next meeting time
116 15:43:52 <wonderchook> to make sure we are getting interested parties
117 15:45:08 <heatherleson> k
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119 15:46:55 <wonderchook> so I was going to close the meeting since we ran quite over
120 15:47:15 <wonderchook> one topic I'd like to discuss next time is recruiting for more participants
121 15:47:39 <heatherleson> let’s write descriptions for roles and tasks
122 15:48:26 <wonderchook> yeah that was exactly what I was thinking.
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124 15:51:53 <wonderchook> okay so I'll circulate an agenda and doodle early next week
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126 15:57:14 <russdeffner> if/when you get the email draft and ToR, please send the links, I would gladly contribute to them
127 15:57:44 <wonderchook> sure, I'm going to email the participants of the meeting and the other people that showed interest
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129 15:58:39 <russdeffner> ok, great