Humanitarian OSM Team/Working groups/Technical/meeting 2013-12-09
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Meeting to discuss Tech topics on Monday 9th December 2013
IRC log:
| 18:01:30< dodobas> we are about to start HOT Tech WG meeting ... if anyone is around :/ | ||
| 18:01:33-!- FredB [~makina@mir31-1-82-224-13-158.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: FredB] | ||
| 18:01:41< russdeffner> I am here | ||
| 18:01:57< dan4dm_> hi | ||
| 18:03:36< pgiraud> I would be happy to attend | ||
| 18:03:39-!- Irssi: #hot: Total of 44 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 44 normal] | ||
| 18:03:47< pgiraud> but I have to ride my bike home now | ||
| 18:04:10< dodobas> pgiraud: so you can start if you want :) | ||
| 18:04:28< pgiraud> ok I have only 5 minutes | ||
| 18:04:35< dodobas> type fast :) | ||
| 18:04:54< pgiraud> I just wanted to say that I really want to merge the workflow branch into master | ||
| 18:05:05< pgiraud> I got support from Daniele | ||
| 18:05:19< pgiraud> and I got feedback from several users | ||
| 18:05:26< dodobas> Daniele ? | ||
| 18:05:49< pgiraud> Daniele Venzano | ||
| 18:05:57< pgiraud> he helped fixing some issues | ||
| 18:05:58< dan4dm_> pgiraud: is the "workflow" branch the one on tasks2.hotosm.org? | ||
| 18:06:02< dodobas> you are taking about tasking manager v1 ? or v2 ? | ||
| 18:06:03< pgiraud> exactly | ||
| 18:06:13< pgiraud> tasking manager v1 branch v2 | ||
| 18:06:17< pgiraud> oops | ||
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| 18:06:22< pgiraud> v1 branch workflwo | ||
| 18:06:35< pgiraud> this is the one installed on tasks2.hotosm.org | ||
| 18:06:59< dodobas> ok | ||
| 18:07:02< pgiraud> as well as on http://tasks-dev.hotosm.org/ | ||
| 18:07:20< pgiraud> people got confused on the several we have now | ||
| 18:07:47< pgiraud> we really need to clear things up | ||
| 18:07:56< dodobas> we will need to conslidate... but... we need to fix deployment | ||
| 18:08:19< pgiraud> I agree | ||
| 18:08:48< pgiraud> I also had question from a guy who wanted to create a puppet module for the tasking manager | ||
| 18:09:33< dodobas> he was on IRC, right? i seem to remeber that | ||
| 18:09:49< pgiraud> yep, he asked here on IRC | ||
| 18:10:23< pgiraud> I should be able to find his name since he open an other issue on github | ||
| 18:10:45< dodobas> pgiraud: what's stopping you to do the merge ? | ||
| 18:10:46< pgiraud> he also asked if it would be possible to have the tasking manager available as a package on pypi | ||
| 18:11:09< pgiraud> well some feedbacks make me think that some users won't be completely happy | ||
| 18:11:38< pgiraud> I still have to explain why users now need to click several times to lock a tile | ||
| 18:12:06< pgiraud> but, well, I'm happy with this new branch and I should definitely merge | ||
| 18:12:12< pgiraud> it has a lot of improvements | ||
| 18:12:24< pgiraud> the remaining issues can be fixed later | ||
| 18:12:26< dan4dm_> pgiraud: I am the person who put a github issue up with feedback on that. I suspect that the multi-click is related to the direct-linking-to-tasks? | ||
| 18:12:40< pgiraud> exact | ||
| 18:12:48< pgiraud> I call it read-only link | ||
| * xamanu is late but present now | 18:12 | |
| * xamanu has read the log of the meeting till now | 18:13 | |
| 18:13:39< xamanu> Is the meeting still going on? | ||
| 18:13:40< dodobas> pgiraud: well, you can ask on the mailing list, or someone from HOT | ||
| 18:13:49< dan4dm_> I'd suggest that a GUI click-on-a-square could still lock, even if the URL direct link does not. But I won't go on and on, since I already said it on github! | ||
| 18:13:57< dan4dm_> xamanu: yes | ||
| 18:14:02< xamanu> nice :) | ||
| 18:15:00< dodobas> xamanu: pgiraud has the microphone at the moment, when he finishes... you can continue :) | ||
| 18:15:00< pgiraud> I still think that people may want to see the history for a tile by clicking on it | ||
| 18:15:24< pgiraud> even if they don't want to lock it | ||
| 18:15:48< pgiraud> I have to leave now, I'm done, next | ||
| 18:15:59< dodobas> pgiraud: the load on the servers is lower at the moment ? | ||
| 18:16:02< dan4dm_> I guess it comes down to: do we (you) expect to have more of a problem with people working on tasks without locking them, or with people locking tasks without working on them! | ||
| 18:16:46< dan4dm_> ah, sorry for taking from pgiraud's limited time | ||
| 18:16:57< pgiraud> I'm really open to suggestion: I'll send an email to discuss this on the mailing list (with screenshots) | ||
| 18:17:35< dodobas> AndrewBuck, harry-wood, mkl, ybon, aynone around ? | ||
| 18:17:42< AndrewBuck> hey | ||
| 18:17:52< dodobas> xamanu: do you have anything to report ? | ||
| 18:18:13< xamanu> yes, I would like to speak about the hot website | ||
| 18:18:27< harry-wood> some activity on the hot website lately I see :-) | ||
| 18:18:43< harry-wood> (github drupal 7 repo) | ||
| 18:18:45< dodobas> ok... so the order is xamanu, AndrewBuck, harry-wood ... :) | ||
| 18:18:59< xamanu> I may introduce myself, as I haven't attended any HOT tech meeting yet: | ||
| 18:19:30< xamanu> I'm Felix from Germany living in Nicaragua for some years now. Check http://felix.delattre.de for my website. | ||
| 18:19:52< xamanu> icaragua for some years now. Check http://felix.delattre.de for my website. I came to HOT as I was invited to speak at SOTM-US in San Francisco about out Managua (Nicaragua's capital) mapping effort on transit mapping. | ||
| 18:20:11< xamanu> sorry for the bad copy and paste :) | ||
| * dodobas waves | 18:20 | |
| 18:20:22< dan4dm_> hi felix | ||
| 18:20:28< xamanu> Hi all :) | ||
| 18:20:39< xamanu> Anyway, in SF I met Mikel who asks me to help with the Drupal port, as I'm a Drupal dev mainly | ||
| 18:20:52< xamanu> https://drupal.org/user/359937 | ||
| 18:21:13< xamanu> So I worked together with clara, who as I think has attended some meetings before, on the HOT website | ||
| 18:21:56< xamanu> And, we are somehow at the point as we would like to have you checking the new version of the website: http://www.dev.hot.org | ||
| 18:22:39< xamanu> We propose to get this live pretty soon | ||
| 18:22:51< dodobas> http://www.dev.hotosm.org | ||
| 18:23:01< dodobas> is the correct link | ||
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| 18:23:15< xamanu> thanks dodobas :) | ||
| 18:23:43< xamanu> I think the site is not in a perfect state, but it is as good, or slightly better than the existing site | ||
| 18:24:02< xamanu> and getting more content added to the old site is anoying as this has to be migrated by hand to the new one | ||
| 18:24:31< xamanu> so, I would like to invite you to test, so we can move forward and then keep on fixing and improving the site running drupal version 7 | ||
| 18:25:53< dan4dm_> xamanu: one small question. The "skip to main content" link (visible when css is off) - it jumps to the newsfeed, not to the featured project - that may be unintended (the "featured project" seems like main content to me!) | ||
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| 18:26:33< dodobas> xamanu: ok, kuul, do you have anything to add, if not, i'll just mention some of the technical issues we should solve before going to production | ||
| 18:26:38< xamanu> dan4dm_ good point. I can open an issue for that and fix it. btw, we use the issue tracker at: https://github.com/hotosm/hotosm | ||
| 18:27:21< xamanu> dodobas, fine for me | ||
| 18:27:39< dodobas> ok... | ||
| 18:28:35< dodobas> AFAIK, HOT still does not have anykind of SSL certificate, at least an official one | ||
| 18:29:51< ybon> ( o/ hi, sorry, I'm in Ndjamena with a poooooor Internet and basically nothing special in my done list :( ) | ||
| 18:29:59< dodobas> I did have a brief discussion withour executive director, but we did not purchase one, at least not yet | ||
| 18:31:00< xamanu> ok. do we need tha SSL certificate to use the server and the d7 hot website? | ||
| 18:31:24< dodobas> no... but all of the passords are going to be snt over the wire unencrypted | ||
| 18:31:30< xamanu> I agree that this would be nice to have! But should not be a show stopper | ||
| 18:31:34< dodobas> +passords | ||
| 18:31:42< dodobas> damn.. :) | ||
| 18:31:43< xamanu> dodobas: at it is right now... | ||
| 18:31:50< xamanu> as it is | ||
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| 18:32:06< dodobas> there are no show stoppers | ||
| 18:32:39< xamanu> dodobas: we could use a https version when logging in (admins only) and use a CAcert signed certificate for now... | ||
| 18:32:53< xamanu> but usual user would get served a non-ssl version of the website | ||
| 18:33:11< dodobas> however, we should discuss what are we going to do about the dev instance | ||
| 18:33:54< dodobas> do you want me to prepare a clean production instance, or move dev -> production and prepare a clean dev instance ? | ||
| 18:34:26< xamanu> dodobas: either one would be fine for us, i guess | ||
| 18:34:36< dodobas> thats fine :) | ||
| 18:34:51< xamanu> I prefer using our infrastructure, than using the Pantheon stuff we are using right now | ||
| 18:35:08< dodobas> i just wanted to raise my concerns | ||
| 18:35:27< xamanu> right now for our workflow, pantheon has been our dev and the server's dev our drupal 7 live instance. | ||
| 18:35:27< dodobas> yes it will be hosted on the new server... | ||
| 18:35:59< xamanu> \o/ | ||
| 18:36:25< dodobas> xamanu: we can discuss abot the details when we get the green light to switch | ||
| 18:36:37< xamanu> dodobas: of course | ||
| 18:36:39< dodobas> AndrewBuck: grab the mic... | ||
| 18:36:45< xamanu> wait pls | ||
| 18:36:53< AndrewBuck> I don't really have anything to add anyway | ||
| 18:37:08< xamanu> what is the next step?? I'm not familiar with our communication workflow | ||
| 18:37:27< xamanu> But I want to get this live as soon as possible | ||
| 18:37:46< xamanu> Can we get to an agreement? | ||
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| 18:38:01< dodobas> xamanu: well, wait for comments, report that no one had any mayor complaints | ||
| 18:38:02< xamanu> What do we need to get this live? | ||
| 18:38:50< xamanu> dodobas: what would be a good time frame for that? One week? | ||
| 18:38:55< dodobas> and then we will start discussing when to switch over | ||
| 18:39:02< xamanu> Should I send an email to the mailing list, i guess? | ||
| 18:39:58< dan4dm_> hasn't xamanu already asked the mailing list for feedback? | ||
| 18:40:01< xamanu> dodobas: is one week ok? after sending it to the list. can we discuss this personally between us two, or do we need another HOT tech meeting? | ||
| 18:40:07< dodobas> xamanu: at the moment, i would say... either this week, or sometime in early january | ||
| 18:40:37< dodobas> xamanu: wonderchook, our executive director,, should make the final decision | ||
| 18:40:51< xamanu> dodobas: ok. Please let us do this anytime soon (if there are no mayor complaints). As I don't like migrating content and comments by hand | ||
| 18:41:48< dodobas> xamanu: it's not my decision :) | ||
| 18:42:00< dodobas> im just a server admin | ||
| 18:42:47< xamanu> ok. i'll write an email to the list. as I haven't before, as dan4dm_ said. Maybe clara did!? | ||
| 18:43:00< dan4dm_> ah yes it was clara | ||
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| 18:43:46< xamanu> dan4dm_ I saw it. thanks. I will write in response to her. Getting things pushed forward | ||
| 18:44:01< xamanu> thanks, dodobas and dan4dm_ for answering my questions | ||
| 18:44:02< dodobas> ok, so, report any comments you have, explain the situation, and ask for more testing | ||
| 18:44:05< xamanu> I'm done... :) | ||
| 18:44:21< dodobas> im gong to discuss with wonderchook in the morning... | ||
| 18:44:38< dodobas> as it's 0:43 in Jakarta ... :) | ||
| 18:44:59< xamanu> ok, thanks dodobas! | ||
| 18:45:19< dodobas> AndrewBuck: nothing like.. mumble server, tasks2, any issues with the hot infrastructure ? | ||
| 18:45:51< AndrewBuck> The mumble server is working fine for me although the folks in dakar were having trouble connecting. | ||
| 18:45:58< AndrewBuck> That could be on their end though. | ||
| 18:46:38< AndrewBuck> As for tasks2 it worked well, i haven't used it much myself though so nothing to add other than my previous discussions with you and Pierre. | ||
| 18:47:00< dodobas> AndrewBuck: can they connect to som other mumble server ? | ||
| 18:47:05< dodobas> *some | ||
| 18:47:19< AndrewBuck> Not sure, I just got an email from Pierre Beland about it | ||
| 18:47:36< AndrewBuck> Their internet is pretty shaky though so it is not surprising they would have issues. | ||
| 18:48:00< AndrewBuck> I expect they will try again, I also might have them try tcp mode instead of udp if the problem persists | ||
| 18:48:24< AndrewBuck> I am connected to the server now though and have been for days with no disconnects so it doesn't seem to be a problem there. | ||
| 18:48:52< dodobas> yeah... | ||
| 18:49:31< dodobas> AndrewBuck: if that is all, pass the totem to harry-wood | ||
| 18:49:50< AndrewBuck> Ahh yes, sorry | ||
| 18:49:54< AndrewBuck> Go ahead harry-wood | ||
| 18:49:57< harry-wood> I am mega busy at work today | ||
| 18:50:31< harry-wood> but… I get an email from Andrew Braye of the British Red Cross asking about things for developers to work on | ||
| 18:50:43< harry-wood> he had some volunteers with PostGIS skills | ||
| 18:50:56< harry-wood> so I sent quite a long reply giving some ideas | ||
| 18:51:06< harry-wood> I should share that reply somewhere really | ||
| 18:51:30< dodobas> like 'how to get involved page' on the website ? :) | ||
| 18:51:57< harry-wood> yeah so he'd found that page already and was asking if that was the best thing to point people at | ||
| 18:52:19< harry-wood> to which I said "yes! ….although here's some other ideas" | ||
| 18:52:39< harry-wood> I pointed him at our HOT technical working group page on the wiki | ||
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| 18:52:50< harry-wood> which has some of the same things listed… plus a few others | ||
| 18:53:01< dodobas> ok kuul | ||
| 18:53:15< harry-wood> good thing if we can keep that page up to date and tidy | ||
| 18:53:31< harry-wood> (needs a bit of work at the moment) | ||
| 18:53:58< AndrewBuck> one thing they could work on is helping orgs like themselves and others get their own local databases set up with the planet file as well as overpass and such. | ||
| 18:54:29< AndrewBuck> Not development work per-se but if they know how all that works they could really help out a lot of people. | ||
| 18:54:59< harry-wood> yes. I suggested trying out installing tilemill and getting the humanitarian style working | ||
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| 18:55:20< harry-wood> involves a certain amount of postGISing I suppose | ||
| 18:56:25< harry-wood> install overpass API locally, I hadn't particular thought about, but yes I guess that could be an interesting challenge :-) | ||
| 18:57:21< dodobas> harry-wood: if you have finished, anyone else wants to report something, dan4dm_ ? | ||
| 18:57:48< dan4dm_> ok just briefly | ||
| 18:58:13< dan4dm_> I was at the London hack weekend recently - me and one other person had a go at installing Task Manager and doing a bit of hacking on it | ||
| 18:58:44< dan4dm_> we discussed whether it should be on postgres rather than sqlite (for concurrency) but we didn't get near anything as tricksy as that in the end | ||
| 18:59:08< dodobas> (it shuld be, but it's not :/) | ||
| 18:59:25< dan4dm_> I pushed a couple of tweaks as feature requests... but it turned out that they were irrelevant because pgiraud's "workflow" branch already had them in! | ||
| 18:59:53< dan4dm_> so that's just unfortunate timing on our part - if we'd known, we would have started with that branch. but at least we know we can hack on it | ||
| 19:00:25< dan4dm_> so, my feedback on tasks2 etc is already out in the world. once the branch is merged I will probably make some suggestions in the form of pull requests. | ||
| 19:00:28< dan4dm_> but that's all from me. | ||
| 19:00:59< dodobas> ok, tnx, it's good to see more people interested in tasking manager development | ||
| 19:01:17< dan4dm_> oh though I may as well ask: is postgres port an explicit aim, plans in the works? or just an idea? | ||
| 19:01:38< dan4dm_> rob mentioned specific postgres features that would be good such as row-level locking | ||
| 19:02:30< dodobas> dan4dm_: well, for tasking v1... it might not be more then an idea... | ||
| 19:02:45< dodobas> as tasking v2 already supports postgres | ||
| 19:03:23< dan4dm_> brill | ||
| 19:03:44< dodobas> and even with postgres, you are still going to have 'problems' when creating new jobs | ||
| 19:04:17< dan4dm_> and there is currently active development on v1 workflow branch - how will that relate to v2? | ||
| 19:04:48< dodobas> i was making suggestions on the line of - improving job creation code | ||
| 19:05:31< dan4dm_> what I mean is: will the current work on v1 be "lost" if/when v2 comes? | ||
| 19:05:41< dodobas> dan4dm_: its hard to tell, v2 has diverged from v1, i think it's almost a complete rewrite | ||
| 19:06:13< dodobas> and there were some disscusion on getting funding for v2 development | ||
| 19:06:27< dodobas> however, the pace is slow... | ||
| 19:06:38< dan4dm_> ok thanks | ||
| 19:06:53< dodobas> pgiraud willknow more... | ||
| 19:07:39< dodobas> so... i just wanted to say that we have a couple of new services | ||
| 19:08:12< dodobas> a Mumble/Murmur server -> talk.hotosm.org | ||
| 19:09:09< dodobas> and a maposmatic service for philippines with HDM - hot style | ||
| 19:09:23< dodobas> http://maposmatic.dev.hotosm.org/ | ||
| 19:10:11< dodobas> oh yeah... and http://tasks2.hotosm.org | ||
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| 19:12:09< dodobas> to be honest, i did not check the content of tech WG wiki page, other then updating meeting logs | ||
| 19:12:14< dan4dm_> \o/ | ||
| 19:12:46< dan4dm_> tho maposmatic server says its db+daemon aren't running | ||
| 19:13:44< dodobas> dan4dm_: yeah... not sure why... but it works for the philippines area (there is only data for that area) | ||
| 19:14:41< dodobas> if no one else has anything to add... we are going to end this meeting | ||
| 19:15:14< dodobas> ill post the logs on the wiki, and create a short summary | ||
| 19:15:29< dodobas> im off to bed :) | ||