Humanitarian OSM Team/Working groups/Training/Apr 24 2012 Notes

Notes from IRC Meeting (GMT)

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Time	Nickname	Comments
[15:00]	PierZen	Hi all. Training Group 3rd meeting is starting.
[15:00]	PierZen	Please say hello. This way we will know who is present.
[15:03]	wonderchook	present
[15:05]	wonderchook	and hello!
[15:06]	PierZen	Hello! Last week, we were talking of http://www.universalsubtitles.org/ (renamed Amara)
[15:07]	PierZen	It let translates video and add text over.
[15:07]	wonderchook	yeah, Ive had it recommended to me before
[15:07]	wonderchook	looks good
[15:07]	wonderchook	so I guess something we need is some videos
[15:08]	wonderchook	I confess I havent made one since 2010
[15:08]	PierZen	yes. But we need good quality. Not continually moving. And take care of people in international context. It should be easy to understand.
[15:09]	PierZen	No big accent preferably or translations.
[15:10]	wonderchook	right, it would be good to pick the top 10 topics we think would benefit to have videos
[15:10]	PierZen	Yes.
[15:10]	PierZen	For material, we have to take care of various audiences plus context of slow connections.
[15:10]	wonderchook	right, I think making sure they are downloadable is a big thing with connection
[15:10]	wonderchook	since there are plenty of people that could take the time to download over night, but streaming would never work
[15:11]	PierZen	rrbaker dont show up today. He was speaking last week of building documentation collections from the material.
[15:16:]	wonderchook	yeah, Im not sure if he did
[15:16:]	wonderchook	HOT and TechChange want to do a course together
[15:16:]	wonderchook	and Rob works with TechChange
[15:16:]	PierZen	http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Training last section is still empty.
[15:14]	rrbaker	Hey all
[15:14]	PierZen	Hi. I think that the inventory of existing material is still to be completed.
[15:15]	PierZen	Plus rrbaker you were talking of collections.
[15:15]	wonderchook	so the websites are materials. you are saying the other materials that arent websites?
[15:15]	wonderchook	the work in Haiti ends up in Google Docs that nobody knows about for example
[15:15]	rrbaker	Exactly
[15:16]	wonderchook	I made a mailing list just for LearnOSM
[15:17]	wonderchook	because the translation stuff was getting out of control
[15:17]	rrbaker	Translation stuff? Translating whats on LearnOSM now?
[15:17]	PierZen	the problem is often good catalogs. Something like LearnOsm and FlossManuals are godd approach.
[15:17]	wonderchook	yeah, people request to translate, but all the emails were just going to Jeff
[15:18]	rrbaker	ah
[15:18]	PierZen	Plus if we can add short videos examples in such documents.
[15:18]	wonderchook	right, Id like to see LearnOSM and FlossManuals to be the main text oriented training documents HOT uses
[15:18]	wonderchook	and then we fit videos that link to chapters
[15:18]	wonderchook	or at least work well with the topics
[15:19]	rrbaker	So could next steps be to identify those needs on LearnOSM, be it additional docs or videos?
[15:19]	wonderchook	right, I thought Jeff made some videos for LearnOSM
[15:20]	wonderchook	but I might be mistaken because I cant find them
[15:20]	rrbaker	This is the one area where public "Coming soon" pages might actually be acceptable if were laying out the groundwork for what is currently being written
[15:20]	wonderchook	we bought a microphone at least for it=)
[15:20]	rrbaker	Good start
[15:20]	PierZen	Who would be the Voice.
[15:21]	wonderchook	I volunteer rrbaker;)
[15:21]	PierZen	Good! I like the structure of FlossManual. Short chapters.
[15:21]	wonderchook	but seriously we dont necessarily need one person to do all of them
[15:22]	wonderchook	we need to have people that can be clear though
[15:22]	rrbaker	All training videos will be sung by Ivan
[15:22]	wonderchook	yeah, I think with the FlossManuals we would clean-up a couple of the chapters
[15:22]	wonderchook	there are some taken almost directly from LearnOSM
[15:22]	wonderchook	but there are others that we just ran out of time when we were writing
[15:24]	PierZen	Should we look from FlossManual table of contents and see what else we need?
[15:24]	wonderchook	sure
[15:25]	rrbaker	Yeah, looking at that to see if theres anything in the text that could be rolled into LearnOSM might be best, if we want to decide now that moving ahead, LearnOSM is the official repository
[15:25]	rrbaker	Might help ground things to pick a gold standard here, push to that
[15:26]	rrbaker	Does look like theres good overlap
[15:26]	PierZen	Should LearnOsm had a website version like FlossManual?
[15:26]	rrbaker	As it not WordPress?
[15:27]	PierZen	LearnOsm.org redirect to a pdf doc.
[15:27]	rrbaker	Sweet baby Jesus no
[15:28]	rrbaker
[15:28]	PierZen	I still try to open the doc.
[15:28]	wonderchook	Im confused?
[15:29]	wonderchook	learnOSM has PDFs
[15:29]	wonderchook	but the site is in word press
[15:29]	wonderchook	I tried to make LearnOSM the official repo at the Doc Sprint in Mountain View but lost
[15:29]	wonderchook	but that was outside of HOT
[15:29]	PierZen	In comparison, FlossManual is a website with a table of content.
[15:29]	rrbaker	Right
[15:30]	rrbaker	Kate: Curious.. was there a preferred format at MV?
[15:30]	rrbaker	Over WP?
[15:30]	wonderchook	it was a FlossManuals code sprint
[15:30]	wonderchook	so there was not a discussion about the format
[15:30]	rrbaker	Right
[15:30]	wonderchook	I meant the content of LearnOSM
[15:30]	wonderchook	there is a table of content in LearnOSM it is just in the drop down, it is possible to change formats
[15:31]	wonderchook	but WordPress is handling the multiple languages well
[15:31]	rrbaker	Yeah, right now Im not interested in the vehicle so much as developing a fuller table of contents of what we have and what we do
[15:31]	rrbaker	CMS dev = off-roading
[15:32]	rrbaker	Although if anyone in the room wants to help develop a lightweight RoR CMS using the available GDoc API and HTML->PDF gems, ping me
[15:32]	wonderchook	bad rob, bad
[15:32]	wonderchook
[15:33]	rrbaker	Actually be more like a DMS (Document Management System). Supah hot.
[15:33]	wonderchook	anyway, I think it would be good to know what topics have not been documented
[15:34]	PierZen	OK I now see table of content on top. But it should be more visible I think.
[15:34]	rrbaker	Right. I vote next step is a consolidated ToC of what is and is not available. Thats our to do list
[15:34]	wonderchook	it bears mentioning that Emir has been writing lots of other tutorials here: https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByijXk6dlZaCcFdUa1dFVGxURGVJdkN5d3hPLW1JUQ
[15:34]	wonderchook	I just havent figured out what to do with them
[15:37]	wonderchook	PierZen, I think the easiest way to do that would be to make one to put into the front page post
[15:37]	wonderchook	I dont really want to mess with the theme or the translation though
[15:37]	PierZen	yes.
[15:49]	PierZen	Do we consider the meeting as finished?
[15:51]	wonderchook	well, so what are the next steps?
[15:53]	PierZen	How do you see it?
[15:54]	wonderchook	collect the materials already existing
[15:55]	PierZen	We need people to do that. Not many have joined the meeting so far.
[15:55]	wonderchook	making al list of missing topics
[15:56]	wonderchook	maybe when emailing the HOT list after the meeting ask people to put materials they are aware of in the wiki
[15:56]	wonderchook	see if anyone helps
[15:56]	PierZen	yes.
[15:57]	PierZen	I propose to schedule the meeting in two weeks from now, same hour.
[15:59]	wonderchook	sounds good to me
[15:59]	PierZen	Anything else?
[16::00]	wonderchook	not from me rrbaker?
[16::01]	rrbaker	Sorry, good for now
[16::01]	rrbaker	Except — are we consolidating these sources on the wiki page?
[16::01]	PierZen	Thanks for your participation. And next meeting, tuesday, 8, 15:00 gmt.
[16::02]	rrbaker	I mean, could we use the section at the bottom to develop a single ToC? I could move to that
[16::02]	wonderchook	rrbaker: what do you mean?
[16::04]	rrbaker	Take all the sources, outline a complete ToC for a single manual based on what we have and what we dont. Just want something actionable beyond "find more sources" since that was the action item from last time and didnt go very far
[16::05]	PierZen	yes. and people could be invite to complete this TOC.
[16::05]	wonderchook	ah okay, yes that would be good
[16::06]	rrbaker	Sounds good — Ill take a stab, invite others, well review in two weeks
[16::06]	PierZen	good. thanks to both of you and lets review in two weeks.
[16:16]	wonderchook	great!