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==Proposal==
==Proposal==
The new forum offers more possibilities which can improve the proposal process. These new possibilities can improve the community engagement in starting these proposals and participating in them. It is therefore proposed that:
The new forum offers more possibilities which can improve the proposal process. These new possibilities can improve the community engagement in starting these proposals and participating in them. It is therefore proposed that:
* Users should no longer be required to announce their proposal on the tagging mailing list but on the new forum instead. The wiki talk page will remain the first and recommended place to discuss proposals. The mapper is free to also discuss the proposal ''optionally'' on other places like the tagging mailing list.
* Users should no longer be required to announce their proposal on the tagging mailing list but on the new forum instead. The wiki talk page will remain the first and recommended place to discuss proposals, this proposal does not change that. The mapper is free to also discuss the proposal ''optionally'' on other places like the tagging mailing list or the forum.


==Rationale==
==Rationale==
The new OpenStreetMap community forum is currently prepared for production. Currently, the tagging mailing list and OpenStreetMap wiki fill an important formal role in the process of discussing and voting of proposals. For several reasons, parts of this formal process should be moved to the new forum. The main result will be in increased engagement by the community because current barriers are reduced. For several reasons, this changed is proposed:
The new OpenStreetMap community forum is currently prepared for production. Currently, the tagging mailing list and OpenStreetMap wiki fill an important formal role in the process of discussing and voting of proposals. For several reasons, parts of this formal process should be moved to the new forum. The main result will be in increased engagement by the community because current barriers are reduced. For several reasons, this changed is proposed:


* Switching to the forums for rfc and vote announcements allows every mapper to participate without the need to create a new account. They can use their current OSM account. For the mailing list, they have to subscribe to the mailing list to actually receive the emails.
* Switching to the forums for rfc and vote announcements allows every mapper to participate without the need to create a new account. They can use their current OSM account. For the mailing list, they have to subscribe to the mailing list to actually receive the emails.
* The new forum allows for mid-thread joining. On the tagging mailing list, it is hard to join mid discussion because you don't have access to previous received emails before subscribing. Via the archive they can see previous emails but replying to them is hard. The user interface of this archive also does not allow for easy navigating.
* The new forum allows for mid-thread joining. On the tagging mailing list, it is hard to join mid discussion because you don't have access to previous received emails before subscribing. Via the archive they can see previous emails but replying to them is hard. The user interface of this archive also does not allow for easy navigating.
* It is known that there are quite some mappers who really dislike the mailing list. Because of the requirement to announce a proposal and vote there, these people are discouraged to continue with the proposal. This excludes people from coming with good proposals from which the community can benefit.
*It is known that there are quite some mappers who really dislike the mailing list. Because of the requirement to announce a proposal and vote there, these people are discouraged to continue with the proposal. This excludes people from coming with good proposals from which the community can benefit.
* The new forum also works really well on mobile devices. Especially wiki does not offer a user friendly website for editing.
*The new forum also works really well on mobile devices. Especially wiki does not offer a user friendly website for editing.
* The new forum has better formatting options for mappers to support their opinions. Think of code blocks, adding images.
* The new forum has better formatting options for mappers to support their opinions. Think of code blocks, adding images.
* Using emoticon reactions, users can indicate they (dis)agree with a given comment. This prevents clutter in the discussion while still providing value to the discussion.
* Using emoticon reactions, users can indicate they (dis)agree with a given comment. This prevents clutter in the discussion while still providing value to the discussion.
* Using simple rss or email notifications, people can subscribe to new proposals and votes on the community. This is accomplished by following tags.
*Using simple rss or email notifications, people can subscribe to new proposals and votes on the community. This is accomplished by following tags.
* Moderators can branch off topics when they become off-topic.
*Moderators can branch off topics when they become off-topic.
*Users can follow only RFC and votes announcements and discussion by following tags (see explanation below)


===RFC announcement template===
===RFC announcement template===
To announce a proposal, a new topic can be made with the following format:
To announce a proposal, a new topic can be made with the following format:
* Title: <code>[RFC] Feature Proposal - <PROPOSAL NAME></code>
* Title: <code>[RFC] Feature Proposal - <PROPOSAL NAME></code>
* Topic body: <code><DESCRIPTION OF PROPOSAL> <LINK TO PROPOSAL ON WIKI> Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page.</code>
*Topic body: <code><DESCRIPTION OF PROPOSAL> <LINK TO PROPOSAL ON WIKI> Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page.</code>
* Assign the tag: <code>wiki-proposal</code>
*Assign the tag: <code>wiki-proposal</code>


===Voting announcement template===
===Voting announcement template ===
To announce a vote, a new topic can be made with the following format:
To announce a vote, a new topic can be made with the following format:
* Title: <code>[Voting] Feature Proposal - <PROPOSAL NAME></code>
*Title: <code>[Voting] Feature Proposal - <PROPOSAL NAME></code>
* Topic body: <code>Voting has started for <PROPOSAL NAME>. <LINK TO PROPOSAL ON WIKI></code>
*Topic body: <code>Voting has started for <PROPOSAL NAME>. <LINK TO PROPOSAL ON WIKI></code>
* Assign the tag: <code>wiki-proposal</code>
*Assign the tag: <code>wiki-proposal</code>


For both the voting and RFC, the mapper can ''optionally'' spread this message on other platforms like Discord, the tagging mailing list and other channels.
For both the voting and RFC, the mapper can ''optionally'' spread this message on other platforms like Discord, the tagging mailing list and other channels.


''It is also proposed to move the voting process to the forums. See [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Move_proposal_voting_from_wiki_to_the_new_forum] and the required changes''
''It is also proposed to move the voting process to the forums. See [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Move_proposal_voting_from_wiki_to_the_new_forum] and the required changes''

=== Subscribing to tags on Discourse ===
Discourse allows you follow a specific tag. If all RFC and vote announcements use the tag <code>wiki-proposal</code> people can follow this tag using one of the options below in the image. Just click a tag or navigate to the URL. Example for the <code>feedback-request</code> tag: https://community.openstreetmap.org/tag/feedback-request

Adding .rss to the url allows people to follow the tag via rss. Example: https://community.openstreetmap.org/tag/feedback-request.rss

[[File:Discourse tag following.png|alt=Screenshot showing the different tag following options on Discourse|frameless]]


==Features/Pages affected==
==Features/Pages affected==
* https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process
*https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process
* A new sub-community of the new forum should be created for these announcements and discussion
*A new sub-community of the new forum should be created for these announcements and discussion


==External discussions==
==External discussions==


* [https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/moving-to-the-new-forum-for-proposals-and-voting/2940 Discussion on the new forum]
*[https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/moving-to-the-new-forum-for-proposals-and-voting/2940 Discussion on the new forum]
* [https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-September/065508.html Proposal announcement on the tagging mailing list]
*[[local:tagging/2022-September/065508.html|Proposal announcement on the tagging mailing list]]


==Comments==
==Comments==

Revision as of 18:01, 25 September 2022

Require proposal announcements to be made on the new forum instead of the mailing list
Proposal status: Proposed (under way)
Proposed by: Cartographer10
Draft started: 2022-09-24
RFC start: 2022-09-24


Proposal

The new forum offers more possibilities which can improve the proposal process. These new possibilities can improve the community engagement in starting these proposals and participating in them. It is therefore proposed that:

  • Users should no longer be required to announce their proposal on the tagging mailing list but on the new forum instead. The wiki talk page will remain the first and recommended place to discuss proposals, this proposal does not change that. The mapper is free to also discuss the proposal optionally on other places like the tagging mailing list or the forum.

Rationale

The new OpenStreetMap community forum is currently prepared for production. Currently, the tagging mailing list and OpenStreetMap wiki fill an important formal role in the process of discussing and voting of proposals. For several reasons, parts of this formal process should be moved to the new forum. The main result will be in increased engagement by the community because current barriers are reduced. For several reasons, this changed is proposed:

  • Switching to the forums for rfc and vote announcements allows every mapper to participate without the need to create a new account. They can use their current OSM account. For the mailing list, they have to subscribe to the mailing list to actually receive the emails.
  • The new forum allows for mid-thread joining. On the tagging mailing list, it is hard to join mid discussion because you don't have access to previous received emails before subscribing. Via the archive they can see previous emails but replying to them is hard. The user interface of this archive also does not allow for easy navigating.
  • It is known that there are quite some mappers who really dislike the mailing list. Because of the requirement to announce a proposal and vote there, these people are discouraged to continue with the proposal. This excludes people from coming with good proposals from which the community can benefit.
  • The new forum also works really well on mobile devices. Especially wiki does not offer a user friendly website for editing.
  • The new forum has better formatting options for mappers to support their opinions. Think of code blocks, adding images.
  • Using emoticon reactions, users can indicate they (dis)agree with a given comment. This prevents clutter in the discussion while still providing value to the discussion.
  • Using simple rss or email notifications, people can subscribe to new proposals and votes on the community. This is accomplished by following tags.
  • Moderators can branch off topics when they become off-topic.
  • Users can follow only RFC and votes announcements and discussion by following tags (see explanation below)

RFC announcement template

To announce a proposal, a new topic can be made with the following format:

  • Title: [RFC] Feature Proposal - <PROPOSAL NAME>
  • Topic body: <DESCRIPTION OF PROPOSAL> <LINK TO PROPOSAL ON WIKI> Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page.
  • Assign the tag: wiki-proposal

Voting announcement template

To announce a vote, a new topic can be made with the following format:

  • Title: [Voting] Feature Proposal - <PROPOSAL NAME>
  • Topic body: Voting has started for <PROPOSAL NAME>. <LINK TO PROPOSAL ON WIKI>
  • Assign the tag: wiki-proposal

For both the voting and RFC, the mapper can optionally spread this message on other platforms like Discord, the tagging mailing list and other channels.

It is also proposed to move the voting process to the forums. See [1] and the required changes

Subscribing to tags on Discourse

Discourse allows you follow a specific tag. If all RFC and vote announcements use the tag wiki-proposal people can follow this tag using one of the options below in the image. Just click a tag or navigate to the URL. Example for the feedback-request tag: https://community.openstreetmap.org/tag/feedback-request

Adding .rss to the url allows people to follow the tag via rss. Example: https://community.openstreetmap.org/tag/feedback-request.rss

Screenshot showing the different tag following options on Discourse

Features/Pages affected

External discussions

Comments

Please comment on the discussion page.

References

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