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:I wonder if it's something specific to this very long page. In general I haven't seen Parsoid (the parser powering Visual Editor) try to turn external links into interwiki links in the first place. – [[User:Minh Nguyen|Minh <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">Nguyễn</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Minh Nguyen|<span style="display: inline-block;">💬</span>]]</sup> 01:53, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
== DiscussionTools extension ==▼
Back in September 2021, I [[Talk:Wiki/Archive 9#Convenient Discussions|installed the Convenient Tools gadget]] as an optional gadget so that power users of talk pages here could more efficiently manage the many long discussions that they engage in. However, I left it off by default, because it makes rather invasive changes to the page that conflict with other extensions and introduces many keyboard shortcuts that can surprise users unaccustomed to this gadget.▼
I only intended Convenient Discussions as a stopgap until the Wikimedia Foundation could complete their [[mw:Talk pages project|Talk pages project]] for modernizing the talk page experience. Though the project sadly didn't go quite as far as some of the early mockups, it did result in the [[mw:Extension:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]] extension, which provides multiple significant quality-of-life improvements similar to Convenient Discussions, but with better usability and performance:▼
* [[mw:Talk pages project/New topic|Start a new topic]] without leaving the talk page. The tool automatically signs your comment for you; no need to correct others' comments with {{tl|unsigned}} anymore!▼
* [[mw:Talk pages project/Replying|Reply to a comment]] inline without leaving the talk page. The tool automatically figures out the correct level of indentation.▼
* [[mw:Talk pages project/Notifications|Subscribe for notifications]] when someone comments on a specific discussion section, so you don't have to put the whole talk page and its article on your watchlist. This improvement alone could make tagging discussions run a lot more smoothly.▼
* All these features work in the [[mw:Talk pages project/Mobile|mobile skin]] too.▼
I'd like to see if the community agrees with me that this extension should be installed here. The DiscussionTools extension reached Stable status this past September, which means WMF considers the extension to be ready for deployment on non-WMF wikis that meet the dependency requirements. This wiki already has the VisualEditor and Echo extensions installed, but the [[mw:Extension:Linter|Linter]] extension would need to be installed. (Linter comes built into MediaWiki v1.40, but we're still on v1.39, so we'd have to install it.)▼
– [[User:Minh Nguyen|Minh <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">Nguyễn</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Minh Nguyen|<span style="display: inline-block;">💬</span>]]</sup> 23:18, 2 November 2023 (UTC)▼
: ''Convenient Discussions'' I didn't really use. But I would give a try to new extension ''DiscussionTools''. --[[User:Chris2map|Chris2map]] ([[User talk:Chris2map|talk]]) 16:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)▼
: Will I still be able to write in the traditional way after installing this gadget? [[User:Maro21|maro21]] 17:00, 3 November 2023 (UTC)▼
::{{ping|Maro21}} Yes, this time, when developing DiscussionTools, WMF was very careful to leave a light touch. So the talk pages remain in the same place, and there are no changes to the underlying wiki syntax. You can completely ignore DiscussionTools once it's installed, but even so, you'll benefit by not having to deal with others' misindented and unsigned comments. – [[User:Minh Nguyen|Minh <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">Nguyễn</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Minh Nguyen|<span style="display: inline-block;">💬</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 3 November 2023 (UTC)▼
:Is it possible to test somewhere how it works? [[User:Mateusz Konieczny|Mateusz Konieczny]] ([[User talk:Mateusz Konieczny|talk]]) 17:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)▼
::{{ping|Mateusz Konieczny}} The DiscussionTools extension is now installed on every Wikimedia wiki; you can use it on any talk page that hasn't been converted (mangled, really) into a Flow page. You can also compare [[w:testwiki:Talk:Flow|Flow]] and [[w:testwiki:Talk:Page4242|DiscussionTools]] on Test Wikipedia. – [[User:Minh Nguyen|Minh <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">Nguyễn</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Minh Nguyen|<span style="display: inline-block;">💬</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 3 November 2023 (UTC)▼
: Please do install the Discussion Tools extension. I'd be more engaged in wiki discussions if I didn't have to worry about markup and fixing the almost-correct markup of Convenient Tools. Thanks! [[User:Partytax|Partytax]] 16:20, 8 December 2023 (UTC)▼
:: Are you still considering this? It sounds like it would be a big improvement. [[User:Osmuser63783|Osmuser63783]] ([[User talk:Osmuser63783|talk]]) 06:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)▼
:: +1 After a quick look at the testsite it looks like a well thought extension and in my opinion the benefits (lower threshold to participate in discussions) outrun the concerns. So I support improvement! --[[User:Chris2map|Chris2map]] ([[User talk:Chris2map|talk]]) 14:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)▼
== 403 for a file ==
:::: I edited [[Item:Q3]], [[Item:Q4]] and [[Item:Q5]], removed ALL CAPS and shortened descriptions in all entered languages, to the best of my ability (I know the basics of European languages enough to remove the text, but hardly to expand). Please review. Marking this as resolved. [[User:Duja|Duja]] ([[User talk:Duja|talk]]) 12:02, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
▲== DiscussionTools extension ==
▲Back in September 2021, I [[Talk:Wiki/Archive 9#Convenient Discussions|installed the Convenient Tools gadget]] as an optional gadget so that power users of talk pages here could more efficiently manage the many long discussions that they engage in. However, I left it off by default, because it makes rather invasive changes to the page that conflict with other extensions and introduces many keyboard shortcuts that can surprise users unaccustomed to this gadget.
▲I only intended Convenient Discussions as a stopgap until the Wikimedia Foundation could complete their [[mw:Talk pages project|Talk pages project]] for modernizing the talk page experience. Though the project sadly didn't go quite as far as some of the early mockups, it did result in the [[mw:Extension:DiscussionTools|DiscussionTools]] extension, which provides multiple significant quality-of-life improvements similar to Convenient Discussions, but with better usability and performance:
▲* [[mw:Talk pages project/New topic|Start a new topic]] without leaving the talk page. The tool automatically signs your comment for you; no need to correct others' comments with {{tl|unsigned}} anymore!
▲* [[mw:Talk pages project/Replying|Reply to a comment]] inline without leaving the talk page. The tool automatically figures out the correct level of indentation.
▲* [[mw:Talk pages project/Notifications|Subscribe for notifications]] when someone comments on a specific discussion section, so you don't have to put the whole talk page and its article on your watchlist. This improvement alone could make tagging discussions run a lot more smoothly.
▲* All these features work in the [[mw:Talk pages project/Mobile|mobile skin]] too.
▲I'd like to see if the community agrees with me that this extension should be installed here. The DiscussionTools extension reached Stable status this past September, which means WMF considers the extension to be ready for deployment on non-WMF wikis that meet the dependency requirements. This wiki already has the VisualEditor and Echo extensions installed, but the [[mw:Extension:Linter|Linter]] extension would need to be installed. (Linter comes built into MediaWiki v1.40, but we're still on v1.39, so we'd have to install it.)
▲ – [[User:Minh Nguyen|Minh <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">Nguyễn</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Minh Nguyen|<span style="display: inline-block;">💬</span>]]</sup> 23:18, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
▲: ''Convenient Discussions'' I didn't really use. But I would give a try to new extension ''DiscussionTools''. --[[User:Chris2map|Chris2map]] ([[User talk:Chris2map|talk]]) 16:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
▲: Will I still be able to write in the traditional way after installing this gadget? [[User:Maro21|maro21]] 17:00, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
▲::{{ping|Maro21}} Yes, this time, when developing DiscussionTools, WMF was very careful to leave a light touch. So the talk pages remain in the same place, and there are no changes to the underlying wiki syntax. You can completely ignore DiscussionTools once it's installed, but even so, you'll benefit by not having to deal with others' misindented and unsigned comments. – [[User:Minh Nguyen|Minh <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">Nguyễn</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Minh Nguyen|<span style="display: inline-block;">💬</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
▲:Is it possible to test somewhere how it works? [[User:Mateusz Konieczny|Mateusz Konieczny]] ([[User talk:Mateusz Konieczny|talk]]) 17:24, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
▲::{{ping|Mateusz Konieczny}} The DiscussionTools extension is now installed on every Wikimedia wiki; you can use it on any talk page that hasn't been converted (mangled, really) into a Flow page. You can also compare [[w:testwiki:Talk:Flow|Flow]] and [[w:testwiki:Talk:Page4242|DiscussionTools]] on Test Wikipedia. – [[User:Minh Nguyen|Minh <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">Nguyễn</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Minh Nguyen|<span style="display: inline-block;">💬</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
▲: Please do install the Discussion Tools extension. I'd be more engaged in wiki discussions if I didn't have to worry about markup and fixing the almost-correct markup of Convenient Tools. Thanks! [[User:Partytax|Partytax]] 16:20, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
▲:: Are you still considering this? It sounds like it would be a big improvement. [[User:Osmuser63783|Osmuser63783]] ([[User talk:Osmuser63783|talk]]) 06:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
▲:: +1 After a quick look at the testsite it looks like a well thought extension and in my opinion the benefits (lower threshold to participate in discussions) outrun the concerns. So I support improvement! --[[User:Chris2map|Chris2map]] ([[User talk:Chris2map|talk]]) 14:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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