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Key:highway mistakes

What kind of mistakes are on that page? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:58, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

To me [[access]] in the KeyDescriptions seemed to be wrong (instead {{Tag|access}}). But a closer look let me understand, meant was a link to the general description of access (including all the keys e.g. vehicle, foot,...), not only the literal key access. Anyhow Access is redirected to Key:access. So there is no difference actually.
And there are variances in permissibility on areas between wiki an data items.
By the way: Is there a common agreement with wether to keep the entries to KeyDescriptions in the wiki or to remove them and manage them on data items site? At the time they are double with variances sometimes. In my experience taginfo has still working fine after removing entries from wiki site. rgds --Chris2map (talk) 15:33, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
In general, it seems to me that there is no clear support for deleting template parameters from the Wiki. There was a clear support for adding data items, but it was never clearly proposed or discussed what is supposed to happen with template parameters. There may be a support for deleting parameters from translated pages, you may want to contact local community (if it exists). I know that some people want to delete parameters from templates and I am fine deleting them from translation pages, as long as data items are kept in sync with the main version of documentation. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:13, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the note. I'm going to handle it like that and keep the template parameters. --Chris2map (talk) 16:55, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

DE:Key:highway

Soll ich die Einträge unter KeyDescription wiederherstellen? Soweit ich feststellen kann, funktioniert es auch ohne (incl. taginfo) und die Daten sind so nicht doppelt zu pflegen, sondern nur noch bei den data items, siehe Item:Q335.
EN: Shall I restore the entries to KeyDescription? It is working without (even taginfo) and data can be maintained on data items, see Item:Q335.
Is description ("Intro") on template up to date? Template:KeyDescription --Chris2map (talk) 16:05, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Schön dass Du fragst. Ja, bitte mache z.B. diese Änderung und ähnliche vom selben Typ, von mir aus, gerne wieder rückgängig. Denn genau taginfo funktioniert ohne diese Parameter scheinbar nicht mehr, siehe hier: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/highway#wiki Dort ist momentan eine leere Zeile bei de & en zu erkennen. (Nicht wundern, die Synchronisation zw. wiki und der taginfo-Anzeige dauert wohl so ca. 24h) Dankeschön im Voraus. --MalgiK (talk) 03:20, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
OK, taginfo nimmt doch nicht die Werte aus den item datas. Habe die Einträge für die wiki templates wiederhergestellt. Gruß --Chris2map (talk) 16:55, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Category:DE:Government

Übersetzung der neuen Kategorie DE:Government siehe Diskussion Category:DE:Government/DE:Behörden --Chris2map (talk) 16:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Am 17.05.2020 habe ich vor, die Seite Category:DE:Government nach Category:DE:Behörden zu verschieben, sofern keiner etwas dagegen hat.

(en) On 17 May 2020 I'm going to move Category:DE:Government to Category:DE:Behörden, if nobody has anything against it. --Chris2map (talk) 13:06, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed to delete DE:Tag:highway=residential;unclassified OOjs UI icon check-constructive.svg

I can see no use of the page DE:Tag:highway=residential;unclassified back to 2014 and even no enlightening evidence, so I propose to delete it. With taginfo there can be found 1 use of highway=residential;unclassified in Bangladesh way 776645449 dated 2020-02-27. That should be highway=service according to aerial imagery. I can't recognize any relation between the tagged way and the wiki-page. So I still like to propose the deletion. Regards --Chris2map (talk) 13:47, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I see. Sorry, I should have checked this case more in detail. I simply assumed a relation, but that looks very unlikely given these circumstances. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 13:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
No worries! Thank you! --Chris2map (talk) 19:11, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Data items

Translation of label / Übersetzung der Bezeichnung

Please keep the field "label" empty on keys and tags in all languages except English. See Talk:Data_items#Translation_of_labels.

(de) Bitte lasst das Feld "Bezeichnung" bei Schlüsseln (keys und tags) frei. Gründe siehe Talk:Data_items#Translation_of_labels. --Chris2map (talk) 09:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata

There are different views regarding the benefit and use of the wikidata linking:

--Chris2map (talk) 21:05, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Concision of TOC on Contributors

Nice job! Clean and simple. Stevea (talk) 23:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for this nice feedback! Regards --Chris2map (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Under_construction and Inuse: two templates

Hello, I wish to consult you why two templates employ different coding which notifies similar situation that somebody is working on a page: it is related to your revert that JA template is missing for Under construction. IMHO I translated both templates, and there exists tl:JA:Under_construction. Am I missing something?

I have a problem with the Under_construction template. I wish it had the same clever coding as you have introduced for template:Inuse. Do you advise me to consult anywhere for concensus that those two templates employ the pattern of coding we now are benefitted with template:Inuse?

Kindly consider guiding me, as I am not quite familiar with coding but very keen to support translation drive on OSM. Cheers, --Omotecho (talk) 00:21, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello! First, these are two long existing templates. I wasn't involved with the creation. I just have added strings for translations and a rudimentary documentation. - My revert was meant to the missing translation string in Japanese within the template Under construction. I couldn't find such. Within template In use it is fine. Coding is the same in both templates. Apparently you worked in a separate JA: version of the template. You can use the normal version and add the translation like within the template In use. Link: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Under_construction&action=edit - Regarding usage of the two templates: I don't know the intentions but I would use In use only in cases if edit is live and takes about minutes or few hours. In other cases for longer edits I would prefer Under construction. Hopefully I could clear it a bit. Cheers -- Chris2map (talk) 12:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Very kind of you replying me, and I have clearer idea about those two templates. The only thing which still puzzles me is that "Inuse" template shows message in Japanese, while "Under construction" shows English message only. Does the difference relate to any error I might have added? It looks to me the only change between those two templates is that "Under construction" has a parameter not in "Inuse". I guess that is how things work maybe, and if you would point me to any hint as above, I would appreciate to learn.
A side note. Actually, I wish to use "Under construction" template to avoid editing conflict on, for example, a list-type page where JA has many blank sub-sections lacking translation, and during when two/three of editors share translating the page, we wish to tell other editors to stand by till the template is lifted or come see the talk page. Cheers, Omotecho (talk) 22:24, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
{{Template:Under construction}} has no translation in JA yet. You have to add the translation by | ja = 日本語訳は以下の通りです。 in the English template code: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Under_construction&action=edit
You can use Template:Under construction or you might have a look at {{Template:Translation not complete}}. There you can add a username to show that someone cares about the completion, e.g. {{Translation not complete|user=Omotecho}} -- Cheers, Chris2map (talk) 16:55, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I understood that it would be something like:
::: | ja = <!-- 日本語訳は以下の通りです。-->この記事は大がかりな再編もしくは拡張中{{#if:{{{notready|}}}|のため、しばらくご利用はお控えください}}。
So I am going to put tl:translation not complete and sign on Template:JA:Under construction. Thank you so much for your crisp guidance. Cheers, Omotecho (talk) 20:19, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I think you got me wrong on one point. I wanted to propose to use the {{Translation not complete}} on your projects that you mentioned (list-type page), not on the template page (though you can use it if you want to). --Chris2map (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Tag:lottery=yes

@Mateusz Konieczny: I hope you're not angry that I slipped into it so unsolicited. -- regards, Chris2map (talk) 13:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Definitely not agree! I make many edits but it is not my private wiki or something :) If I do things in way suggesting that I would be angry that others are also editing, let me know how can I change this Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi Mateusz, I didn't mean to express that I have this impression of you. I just wanted to say that I didn't mean to know things better. All good! Yours, Chris / Chris2map (talk) 13:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Legal requirements to images or media files

> Main topic: Category:Media without a license

Several uploads to the Wiki still have been done without specifying the license and many images are in use missing an adequate license.

On search how to put things better I looked for a guide or at least an annotation, what has to be respected with uploading and using media like images in the Wiki. But I cannot find such!

  • There is one short and unclear note at Wiki_Help. And that page not even is linked at mainpage or main help page Get_help. (Another issue itself.)
  • Even at the Special:Upload page there are several hints but there is no given help what licenses must or can used basically.

IMHO that way we cannot expect "correct" use of media in the Wiki. I myself have my difficulties with seeing what is right now in view of (using) uploads.

I think an upload or media guideline must be created and put at Wiki_guidelines. And the Wiki guidelines must be directly linked at Get_help and at Special:Upload.

Question: Did I miss or overlook a description or guide in terms of licenses with images at the Wiki and can anyone provide a link?

I got to this topic due to the ongoing efforts of @Mateusz Konieczny:, see e.g. Talk:Wiki#Copyright_violations.

I would really appreciate if more users could help hereby. --Regards, Chris2map (talk) 12:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

It may be a good idea to post it on Talk:Wiki. In general I agree with this Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:41, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

License of aerial imagery such as Maxar

Hey, I just saw that you did the licensing on the screenshot I linked here (but on the page here in the gallery there are 2 more images using Maxar) and I forgot the include the license thing. Now I read the Maxar part of the licensing (I wasn't thorough about it before uploaded it), well I think I should not have uploaded the images because of the license, that you cannot download the imagery nor use it for other purposes (By using our imagery in the OSM editor, you understand and agree that you may only use our imagery to trace, and validate edits that must be contributed back to OSM. You cannot download our imagery or use our imagery for any other purpose.[maxar 1]). Or maybe am I wrong here? I mean, I just wanted to demonstrate that I was doing some hard work as tracing it and not just "meh i'm playing like a lazy kid".
Sorry, just this question got into my mind. If it's the thing, then I would like to get them to delete, or if it fits the thing that "yes, you're using it in an editor, and you're not doing it for any other purpose than that", then leave it as is.
It's kinda a hassle to get whether or not should I do something and I usually do things before thinking (I don't know why). But yeah, if you cleared the thing for me, it would be awesome, and I won't have to worry about stuff. Just the weird thing is that this is out on OSM wiki for a year and nobody said a word about it.
And what happens, when I want to put it in my presentation to show people how to trace in OSM (eg. local online OSM event), that is still a problem? I never got into this so if any of you clarified the thing, it would be good. I know, there is the fair use of things and here also I only demonstrated tracing so I didn't use it for other things, but just in case. Really thanks for the answer in advance. - Regards, Ottwiz (talk) 21:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Update: I got an answer from Minh Nguyen and from Kathleen Lu and basically this can be used under fair use so there's no such problem with it. Ottwiz (talk) 00:30, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ottwiz: - note that fair use may not really apply in such case, and it is not yet decided whether and in which cases OSM Wiki should allow fair use. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki#Designing_policy_for_handling_files_without_clear_license and especially "Questions" section. Is there some reason why you are unable or unwilling to release it under open license like https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ ? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:15, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
@Mateusz Konieczny: In my case of my presentations, it's usually released under CC-BY-SA 4.0 open license, and as Kathleen told me (since she is a member of LWG), it should be the least concern for Maxar, as citing @Minh Nguyen:, it can be a problem if the imagery itself is distributed standalone, but until while it is used for demonstrating in JOSM editor (or in presentations, just a small extract with OSM data on), it should not be a problem, "de minimis", from my conversations.
Technically yes, on the wiki this "fair use" thing in general is not supposed to be there as Minh told the same too. Since there is no delete flag on the image, it means it can stay on the wiki if it has the correct licensing, if I'm correct. Ottwiz (talk) 09:25, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ottwiz: Hey - I can't add anything more to the use of Maxar, but the assessments you received from Minh Nguyen and Kathleen Lu would be ok for me. - One thing I noticed: The license template {{GPL}} used for JOSM screenshot, includes the template {{Free media}} that adds Category:All free media to the file. This may not be desirable for images that contain Maxar content. I would create a template for JOSM screenshots in combination with imagery that uses own box syntax for GPL and doesn't add the Category:All free media. Am I on the right track with this? --Chris2map (talk) 18:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
@Chris2map: I think yes, that's kind of a good thing, but I think Mateusz knows the deal better on the templates, if that was the thing, I would have that added on those images. Ottwiz (talk) 18:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

License templates for JOSM screenshots

I made a draft for a Template:JOSM screenshot with imagery in {{Sandbox}} that doesn't use {{Free media}} and allows to specify different imageries, e.g. Maxar image or Bing image: {{JOSM screenshot with imagery|{{Maxar image}}}} or {{JOSM screenshot with imagery|{{Bing image}}}}
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Sandbox&oldid=2235738) --Chris2map (talk) 20:36, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
{{JOSM screenshot with imagery}} is exactly what I planned to create to complement {{JOSM screenshot without imagery}}. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Sandbox&oldid=2235738 looks great to me - do you want to create this new template? "I think Mateusz knows the deal better on the templates" - not really :) Every time I need to look at Mediawiki documentation pages Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:08, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
@Mateusz Konieczny: I'm pleased about that and going to create the template! Chris2map (talk) 10:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
New template has been created: {{JOSM screenshot with imagery}} --Chris2map (talk) 11:13, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
If I use {{JOSM screenshot with imagery}} with the Carto images like {{JOSM screenshot with imagery|{{OSM Carto screenshot}}}} as suggested by Mateusz Konieczny at Talk:Wiki#OSM_Carto_categories the information about the OSM-source will be shown twice. Could this be corrected? Unfortunately I don't know the syntax of the templates so I'm not able to do this. --Segubi (talk) 23:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
In principle some extra parameter could be added, but I would simply not worry too much about this kind of duplication. Note also case of raw OSM data also being present on image Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 07:11, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
@Segubi: Thanks for pointing to that! As Mateusz has already replied, better twice than zero, and there is overlaying OSM data on top of the map tiles. You can go on. We have to find advancement within the templates. --Chris2map (talk) 14:26, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

License issues - TODO

  1. Clear statements on MediaWiki:UploadtextTalk:Wiki#MediaWiki:Uploadtext - Addition of basic statement
  2. Improve help for specifying an appropriate license, e.g. by a chart → Drafts/Media file license chart
  3. Clarifying license of screenshots of Overpass turbo and after that creating a template
  4. Apply {{Esri image}} on files → Done so far.

Use of images outside of the Wiki

@Tigerfell: Yes, I didn't think about and check forum and OSM diaries. Thank you for drawing my attention to this. - I now searched on forum: Is it sufficient to search the file name in the search function [1]? Search gives no hit. - Is there a search function for diaries? --Chris2map (talk) 21:15, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I somehow forgot to answer. It seems that the forum search finds file names. There is no search for the diaries. You can use search engines and limit their results for https://www.openstreetmap.org/diary example with duckduckgo.com. Then you get the RSS feeds which you can open in a text editor. That does not seem to be too comfortable... :-( I remember that I have heard of some search engine that can find the web pages using a certain image but I can not recall the name or how to get there. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 09:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
No problem! A lot action at the moment! Thanks for the answer. I'll try to get on with it at the next opportunity. --Chris2map (talk) 19:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Wie bekomme ich ein PDF in besserer Auflösung auf die Seite?

Tut mir leid, wenn ich einen habe, der mir weiterhelfen kann, dann greife ich auch direkt zu. ;-)

Ich habe hier [2] ein .pdf hochgeladen. Die Auflösung ist ja eher dürftig. Was kann ich machen, dass die Text besser lesbar sind? Dank und LG Fredao (talk) 13:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Wenn man nicht rechtzeitig den Kopf einzieht :) - Spaß bei Seite, da muss ich passen. Mit PDFs habe ich im Wiki noch nicht gearbeitet. Aber für mich sieht es so aus, dass das Wiki nicht die PDF direkt anzeigt (also nicht einbettet), sondern eine Vorschau rendert und darstellt. Es macht quasi einen Screenshot der PDF als JPG-Bild und zeigt dann das JPG-Bild an. Auf die Qualität und Auflösung kann man als Nutzer, denke ich, keinen Einfluss nehmen. Die Pixel-Anzahl wird zwar unterschiedlich je nach angegebener Größe gerendert, aber da ein größeres Bild auch größer angezeigt wird, verbessert sich dadurch die Auflösung nicht. --Chris2map (talk) 14:22, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
OK, ist auch noch ein Tippfehler drin, ich probieren dann einmal anderes Dateiformat. Danke und schönen Abend. Fredao (talk) 20:42, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Wie kann ich denn jetzt die https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Review_process.pdf entsorgen? Fredao (talk) 20:58, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Du könntest sie auch umbennen mittels der Funktion "Verschieben" unter "Mehr↓". Löschen kann nur ein Admin; dafür musst du die Datei bzw. Seite mit dem Template:Delete kennzeichnen und als Grund einfach um Löschung aufgrund falschem Upload bitten (wird dann irgendwann abgearbeitet). - Als anderes Dateiformat bietet sich SVG an. Du kannst die PDF konvertieren (https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=pdf+to+svg+convert&cat=web&pl=opensearch&language=deutsch ), z.B. gleich mit dem ersten Suchtreffer. --Chris2map (talk) 21:46, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

About GB 917

The files which I uploaded isn't completely from the GB 5768, is partly from GB 917 (2017 version) and other local provincial standards. I think the template isn't proper and thorough. Herman Lee Zh (talk) 14:34, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for this notice! Could you help us with further information to source and license? For example list of the relevant standards? --Chris2map (talk) 15:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Deine Änderung auf Item:Q4679

Hey Chris2map! Mit deiner Änderung auf https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Item:Q4679&curid=210672&diff=2260665&oldid=2237457 hast du das Data Item einer Gruppe mit der Wiki-Seite eines Schlüssels verknüpft. Bin mir nicht sicher, aber sollte für die Dokumentation einer Gruppe (hier Amenities) nicht auf die entsprechende Kategorieseite im Wiki verlinkt werden? Kjon (talk) 15:36, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hallo Kjon! Bei der Verknüpfung ja. Die habe ich aber nicht gesetzt, sondern "nur" einen Link zu einer Dokumentation zum Thema der Gruppe. Ich bin mir da auch nicht sicher, ob und wenn ja wie es eine Festlegung / Normalfall dafür gibt. - Ich hatte auch überlegt, ob ich die Doku nicht auf Amenities verlinken soll, auch wenn es nur eine Weiterleitung ist. - Für den Doku-Link würde ich sagen, der direkte Link zu den besten Informationen zum Thema der Gruppe. Bei der item-Verknüpfung bin ich bei Dir und finde, wenn man diesen setzt, dann auch die entsprechende Kategorie am naheliegendsten (Da ja auch die KeyDescription-Box automatisch die Gruppe zur gleichnamigen Kategorie weiterleitet). --Chris2map (talk) 15:56, 5 February 2022 (UTC)