User talk:Tigerfell

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Page move FR:Frontage road

Hello, Thank you for the report. I wished I could fix it, but someone already did. --Dlareg (talk) 15:30, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

title parser

  • hi, it seems GCF is not a valid language code, and what's more, there are only two pages in it. Could you check in wikipedia if that's the right one? What language is it for?
  • WRT the other titles - you may want to include "title=xxxx" in the expected values when the input string is not a key or a tag. I will implement it soon thereafter.
  • POI - is there a list of such pseudo-namespaces somewhere?

Thx! --Yurik (talk) 20:07, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I was going to link you to the list, but I wanted to add the tests first. By pseudonamespaces I refer to all the prefixes that decode languages, but are not namespaces in this wiki. So, "POI:" is not a "pseudonamespace". You could just try Special:PrefixIndex. Some people started their pages with "Countryname:" or "Countryname<space>" (page naming convention), but I would not try to infer a language from that (e.g. in Canada).
I would not really know what to use "title" for, but I guess it could be useful later. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 20:20, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The list does not include all languages. There seem to be even more languages at the documentation of Template:Languagename. --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 20:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
@Tigerfell I do not need the languages - mw has a list of those built-in. I need non-language prefixes, like POI, Key, etc. --Yurik (talk) 21:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
I know, but some (like "Gcf") are different. There is no list of non-language prefixes, because those are not documented. I mean every user can create a page "Xx:Page name" and you will not know if it is a language prefix. I am afraid that you will either have to make guesses (every name with two letters followed by a colon or a dash is a language name) or work with a whitelist (e.g. every language not detected by a special list and mw is not a pseudo-namespace). That is the problem!
If you use the whitelist approach, you have the advantage that there is a list and almost everything else is not a pseudo-namespace. If you really want to find that out, I guess you would have to analyse the wiki dump (not available any more since 2015 unfortunately). --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 21:53, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Double redirects

Hello Tigerfell. I've noticed that you're sending the same standard message about double redirects to different wiki maintainers. If this is a bot, it may be interesting to propose an automatic fix or a wizard to facilitate this task, I wouldn't expect any double redirect to be intentional. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 19:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

No, this is not a bot, but indeed I recycle the texts, because it is the same issue. All my bot edits are executed from User:TigerfellBot and they are listed on this user's page as well.
In your cases, I was not really sure if those pages were all about the same area, so I did not want to change them myself.
There is actually a server setting that could be used (see MediaWiki documentation). It is currently switched off, I guess. The manual says that it is affected by page move vandalism. However, in this wiki, only autoconfirmed users can move pages. Actually, we could suggest to switch that on. What do you think? --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 21:53, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Double redirects are resolved automatically now Blacktocat.svg openstreetmap/chef/pull/202#issue-231812368

Archiving proposals

Hello Tigerfell, when I archive a proposal, I generally leave the Proposal Page template in place, as it gives a quick overview what the proposal was about and how it ended (abandoned, approved, rejected etc.). It also inserts the page into categories such as Category:Proposals with "Approved" status automatically. This would be an example: Proposed features/Number of steps. I've noticed that you prefer to also replace the template when archiving, so maybe we can discuss this and arrive at a consensus? --Tordanik 14:19, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi,
This sounds very reasonable to me. I actually never really thought about it this way. However, I thought that we archive accepted or at least proposals in use only, so an archived proposal implies either successful voting or no one speaking up against. Is that correct?
In addition, the last proposal I archived (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Relations/Proposed/Segmented_Tag&oldid=1230216) did not use this template. I thought this was due to its age (first page version in 2008), but yours is from the same year. Does it mean there was no voting and it is not approved? --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 18:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
I added the template to all pages I archived... --Tigerfell This user is member of the wiki team of OSM (Let's talk) 11:44, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, and sorry for the late reply! To answer your thoughts, I don't think there's anything per se preventing us from archiving unsuccessful proposals. As the goal of archiving is mainly to direct users to the most recent version of the documentation, though, it's certainly more useful for approved and de-facto-established propoals.
The reason why the segmented tag proposal does not have the template is probably the same as the reason it uses a non-standard page name: Because it's a relation. Back in 2008, relations were a new concept and people wrote these Relations/Proposed/* pages trying to come up with uses for them. (Given that you have since done some cleanup to relation-related pages, you've probably already discovered that peculiarity yourself, though. :)) I see no indication that the segmented tag proposal was approved, and it's in fact barely used with only 79 instances in the DB.
--Tordanik 18:37, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Syntax für mehrere Symbole in einer Zeile

Weiss nicht, ob das hier die richtige Stelle für Fragen ist,... Ich möchte die drei Symbole Hospital-14.svg / Doctors-14.svg / Healthcare-14.svg auf der Artikelseite healthcare=* gerne in einer Zeile stehen sehen. Zur Zeit lautet die Zeile im Quelltexteditor so: "|osmcarto-rendering=Hospital-14.svg;Doctors-14.svg;Healthcare-14.svg" In der Darstellung auf dem Artikel sind dann störende Zeichen " ... " zu sehen. Hast Du einen Tipp, wie man das schöner schreiben kann, also damit die Zeichen " ... " auf der Artikelseite nicht zu sehen sind? Auch hier wird jetzt nicht alles so dargestellt, wie ich das möchte. Daher bitte schaue zunächst hier mal in den Quelltext, damit Du vielleicht besser verstehst, was ich damit meine. Gibt es irgendwo so eine Hilfsseite für die Syntax? Ggf. könntest Du mir dort gleich mal das für diesen Fall passende Beispiel heraussuchen :-). Merci vielmals im Voraus.--MalgiK (talk) 14:23, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Hier ist die Seite für Fragen und öffentliche Mitteilungen an mich :-).
Das Problem ist, dass das eine Vorlage ist, die hier die Angabe von genau einem Bild erwartet. D.h. die Angabe von osmcarto-rendering wird schon in zwei eckige Klammern eingeschlossen, sodass man nur noch File:Example.jpg schreiben müsste. Das funktioniert aber nicht mit mehreren Bildern (habe es gerade probiert). Um das ganze noch komplizierter zu machen, ist diese Vorlage auch noch mit der Tagging-Datenbank ("Data items" genannt) verknüpft. Auch dort ist nur das Eintragen von einem Bild vorgesehen (wenn auf der Wiki-Seite keine Angaben stehen und die Vorlage nur mit der Angabe key=healthcare verwendet wird, werden die restlichen Infos aus der Datenbank ergänzt, jedenfalls theoretisch, das wird gerade erst eingeführt).
Eine Dokumentation der Vorlage findet sich auf Template:KeyDescription/doc. Die Erklärung zu osmcarto-rendering werde ich gleich ergänzen. Ich schlage vor, dass du auf der Seite Template talk:ValueDescription (ähnliche Vorlage mit vielen aktuellen Diskussionen) vorschlägst, für diesen speziellen Fall mehrere Bilder sowohl in der Vorlage als auch in der Datenbank zuzulassen. Das wäre dann auf englisch und zur Not müsste man den Initiator Benutzer Yurik mit {{Ping|Benutzername}} darauf aufmerksam machen. 10:52, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

File:OpenStreetMap Wiki MainPage.png

Hi, es ist bestimmt vorteilhaft sich vor dem Snippen auszuloggen ;) Gruß aus Mainz --Reneman (talk) 16:49, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Darüber habe ich nach dem Hochladen auch nachgedacht, aber nichts Privates auf dem Bild gefunden. Dass bei mir die Benutzeroberfläche auf Englisch ist, hatte ich schon mal auf Talk:Wiki geschrieben und dass die englische Hauptseite nicht auf meiner Beobachtungsliste steht, hätte man sich auch denken können (ist ja schließlich geschützt). 22:08, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Hinzu kommt, dass diverse Links/Buttons sichtbar sind, die nur für angemeldete Nutzer vorhanden sind (upload, Favoritenstern, Meldungen, Mitteilungen, Watchlist, Username, ...). Es steht jedoch weder in der Dateibeschreibung noch da wo diese eingebunden ist, dass man angemeldet ist, um den Startbildschirm so wie im Screenshot abgebildet zu sehen. Widersprüche können besonders neue und unerfahrene Besucher verwirren. ;) --Reneman (talk) 17:37, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Aha, neue Version hochgeladen. Ich habe nichts gegen einen RevDel einzuwenden. 17:53, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Perfekt. Yes check.svg --Reneman (talk) 19:13, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

New translation - Hu:Wiki Translation

Hello

I saw you fixed the header, thank you.

Sorry, if I made disturbances, but I could not find out how to create a new page, I just clicked as it was suggested for translation. Maybe it was a wrong page where I clicked, creating a wrong redirection. I still do not know how to do it properly, the page "Wiki Translation" is confusing for me.

Anyway why does this system not show the links to the "StreetComplete" page in other languages on the left side (like Wikipedia)? Maybe I could figure out how to start the page more easily seeing other examples.

Where can I see my contributions to "StreetComplete" app? --Misibacsi (talk) 14:46, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

When you want to create a translation for an existing English wiki page, you go to the English version and click on "Other languages" below the list of languages. Then you will see a list of the most common languages that are available in the language bar. Lastly, you click on the language name for the language in which you want to translate the content, in your case "magyar". If the link is coloured red, then the translation does not exist yet and clicking on it will create a new page with the correct name. Lastly, you can partially translate the page title by moving the page to the Hungarian title, but do not forget to keep the prefix Hu: and to add the English page name to the language template like {{language|English title}} instead of just {{language}} on the Hungarian page.
I think Hu:Böngészés is a good example. The English version is located at Browsing and there is a redirection from the English page title with the Hungarian language prefix Hu:Browsing which was created by moving the page to its Hungarian title.

Anyway why does this system not show the links to the "StreetComplete" page in other languages on the left side (like Wikipedia)?

Wikipedia uses a database to provide the links like w:wikidata:Q20010301 for all language versions of w:Help:Content translation. We use a template which checks the existence of pages with a specific page name.
You can see your contributions to the wiki page at Special:History/Hu:StreetComplete. --08:05, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

You’ve been accused of sockpuppetry by Nakaner

Yikes! Tigerfell, on the deletion policy, you’ve shockingly been accused of sockpuppetry by Nakaner, who appears to’ve pretty heavily scrutinized you and your history. Just thought I’d let you know. — EzekielT (talk) 23:44, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification. I will try to figure out the issue via private messaging. -- 09:34, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
@Tigerfell: How’d that go :)? Also, I’ve done the post-voting cleanup... and about that... you’re not going to like this... it was rejected... with 6 yes, 15 no, and 9 abstain... — EzekielT (talk) 04:52, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I asked him to explain to me which rule I have broken. He did not reply until now (for two weeks), so I doubt he ever will. --19:48, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
I guess he was mad because I criticised him in the German forum some months ago and there was my question(de) about his potential conflict of interest. He does not like to be criticised at all, but I am just guessing what made him think that. --20:31, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Archiving Past Events

As someone who organises a monthly event I find the changes to the archive history & process un-nerving. Where is the history of 2019 events now. For 10 years or so we have always built the archive on a year-by-year basis. I realise you have made some surveys about wiki archiving, but on the whole it is not a topic which particularly interests me. I DO CARE when a workflow I, and many others, have been using for a long time is changed in ways I don't understand. The calendar pages are primary pieces of information edited by many people who don't regularly use the wiki. overtime there has been a tendency for over-wikification of these pages so that adding or moving data becomes increasingly complex. If size of the archive pages is an issue I suggest they be split into quarterly units. A bit of explanatory text in the templates might help as well. SK53 (talk) 12:17, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi SK53,
I moved the events before 10 June 2019 to Past events 2019, because the layout was changed and I thought it was a good point in time to move the past to the 2019 page and split the page history at that point. That was my side. I guess the rest is referring to the change in the templates of the calendar, which I just commented irregularly. You can find the discussion on Template talk:Calendar#Streamlining templates. If I remember correctly, the initial motivation was increasing usability, but you should talk to @Minh Nguyen.
I will add an explanation on top of Template:PastEvents. --16:23, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Where is the image?

Hi, you have changed the page emergency=fire extinguisher yesterday. It seems that you have changed the image. But I cannot see any image=something.jpg in the page source code. Yet some image is displayed. Where does it come from? Thanks for explanation. Chrabroš (talk) 06:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

The image comes from the emergency=fire_extinguisher (Q6975) data item, which the grey pencil link by the description will take you to. It is possible to fill all of the arguments to the {{KeyDescription}} or {{ValueDescription}} templates that way, for instance ref:seedcode=*. --Andrew (talk) 06:59, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
OK. Thanks. But this raises another question: Where does this link from emergency=fire extinguisher to emergency=fire_extinguisher (Q6975) come from? How this page knows that it should use this data item? Chrabroš (talk) 07:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, it was created automatically when Data items where introduced (Data items#Item Creation Process). The template knows it because it asks for the data item linked to that page which is Item:Q6975. You can retrieve this information from the page information [1] or from Property:P31. I guess it internally uses the Lua function getEntityIdForTitle in Module:DescriptionFromDataItem. -- 08:40, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Parentheses(round brackets) in OSM values allowed or not ?

I also asked at Warin61, if parentheses are allowed or not in OSM values ... IF they are allowed, then it could make 'things' easier ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henke54 (talkcontribs) 12:01, 30 August 2019‎

Parentheses might be impractical as they might interfere with Regular expressions (Wikipedia), but that should not stop you to propose this tag. I can not see that it is explicitly forbidden or discouraged. I currently struggle to understand the meaning of landuse=dune(s). The concept of mapping two things with one tag is rather unusual. I suggest you create a proposal and follow the standard procedure for proposals. --14:14, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

where do you seelanduse=dune(s)? ... Maybe you meantlandform=dune(s)? ... If parentheses are allowed, then i am willing to 'full'-document landform=dune(s) and propose it --Henke54 (talk) 15:12, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, that is what I meant. Well, if you first document it and then write the proposal, you will make yourself unhappy, because other users might interpret your approach as if you would try to document something that is not used. A lot of people disapprove such behaviour, because they fear that you might want to circumvent community consensus. Then you will end up in page deletion discussions. Proposing this first, gives you the option to include advise from the mailing lists and to peacefully distance yourself from the proposal if you realise that there is not enough support.
I do not understand why you again bring up the point if something is allowed or not. Editing Standards and Conventions and Good practice apply to most proposals and practices. I know most of these pages and the pages they link to vaguely and I can tell you that I do not know of any convention that tells you not to use parentheses explicitly. Please note that they are conventions only (definition of convention (meaning 1d), not to be confused with a 'law' or 'rule'), you can always propose something different, for instance opening_hours=* make use of semicolons and Good practice can be interpreted as not to use them on a big scale. You will find out if someone thinks your proposal breaks a convention during the consultations of the proposal process. --17:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)