Humanitarian OSM Team/Chat July 18 2012
Hot chat for Wed July 18th 2012.
<harry-wood> HOT chat in 2 minutes? <harry-wood> Am I right? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/HOT_Chats <skorasaurus> or we're both wrong :P <harry-wood> Just sent a reminder to the list <harry-wood> I'm on a crappy web interface. Need to set up this laptop properly <skorasaurus> no prob. <aude_> hi <skorasaurus> I was for a few weeks until friday :] <skorasaurus> hi aude_ *** aude_ is now known as aude <harry-wood> so what's happening in HOT land? <harry-wood> I've been a bit pre-occupied with license change stuff recently <aude> thanks for the reminder <skorasaurus> speaking of licenses, senegal will lose a bit. :./ <skorasaurus> because of a decliner. :( <harry-wood> Oh really? That <harry-wood> ta <harry-wood> that's annoying *** mkl [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #hot <aude> :( <harry-wood> Guess it'll probably process africa along with rest of the world of the next few days <harry-wood> U.S. is mostly done I see: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/license-change/botprocessing.php <skorasaurus> I see. thanks again for setting that up. <skorasaurus> us went pretty quick today. <mkl> look at it go! <harry-wood> my map display isn' <harry-wood> t running so well on firefox I see :-/ <harry-wood> (was developing on safari mostly) <skorasaurus> harry-wood: I didn't notice any problems on firefox here. (13.0.1, linux) <harry-wood> not problems as such. it's just sluggish <harry-wood> anyway we should keep an eye on when the bot has done with Senegal <harry-wood> and Haiti. It may get onto haiti fairly soon too <Schuyler> good morning/afternoon/evening <harry-wood> hi Schuyler <skorasaurus> evening' * aude booking flights for SOTM <aude> wonder who is going? * harry-wood is not this year sadly <aude> aww :( *** pecisk [~email@example.com] has joined #hot <harry-wood> guess mkl and Schuyler will make it along to Japan hey? <harry-wood> how about you skorasaurus <harry-wood> ? <skorasaurus> unfortunately, doesn't look it as of now. <skorasaurus> if there's a SOTM-US (in portland right?), I may make it out there. <harry-wood> you in the u.s? <aude> portland is a tad too far for me <aude> don't know if there is SOTM-EU this year? <mkl> i'm not sure i can make it to tokyo actually <skorasaurus> yep, in the us, about 3,000 miles (5,500km~) from portland. <harry-wood> no. seems not. But the guy who's organising FOSS4G in the UK next year... was suggesting a double-whammy with SOTM again. I thought that sounded like quite a good idea :-) <skorasaurus> http://osm.org/go/ZWb92DJ <aude> good idea * aude just missed foss4g-na <skorasaurus> sorry if its OT, but is there a mapnik layer in WMS ? <skorasaurus> reason, I mention it, I was beginning to validate http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/34 <harry-wood> you can view mapnik output as a WMS in various ways <aude> also OT, but i'm trying to use josm on a mac now <aude> is there a list of keyboard shortcuts for mac? * aude feels like a newbie again <harry-wood> mostly the same as for windows/linux, apart from the ctrl key is all screwed up on a mac <harry-wood> because they have four different ctrl keys <harry-wood> the slightly weird non-native feeling java on mac causes it to push some things onto the ctrl key, whilst others manage to be on the apple key <harry-wood> (if that makes any sense) <aude> a list on the wiki would be nice * aude might make one if none exists, soon as i figure things out <harry-wood> skorasaurus. So you'd do validation via WMS somehow? <skorasaurus> harry-wood: well, there's now bing imagery available for a portion of #34 area. <harry-wood> or you just want to see standard mapnik tiles as a background in JOSM? <skorasaurus> and I want to see an overlay of standard tiles, with say, 50% opacity, with the digitaleye imagery and bing <skorasaurus> to see what extent paths are mapped or not. <harry-wood> yeah that should be doable as a TMS setting <skorasaurus> I'm taking a look at a couple of the tiles to be validated, and the consistency isn't great. <harry-wood> in fact if it's not already on your imagery menu, I think you can just enable it from the preset imagery layers <skorasaurus> perhaps i'm overthinking it. <skorasaurus> the opacity ? <harry-wood> no the opacity is a layer option for any layer * skorasaurus just figured out that you can figure a layer's opacity in josm <skorasaurus> oh cool. <skorasaurus> configure* <harry-wood> ensure you can see the layers panel in the top right (have it enabled using toggles in the bottom left) and then there's a grey gradient slider thingy <skorasaurus> aha. <skorasaurus> this will be easier than trying to do that in qgis. <harry-wood> But I dont usually use the standard mapnik tiles in JOSM <harry-wood> you can get a rough idea of how things will render in various other ways. Then I find myself using the download dialog when I want to flip to a mapnik view <harry-wood> 'various ways' includes doing a tag search. e.g. 'highway=path' causing josm to select all elements tagged like that <skorasaurus> ah. <aude> mkl: is there anyone you want to connect with from wikimania? <harry-wood> there's various track versus path consistency issues still in these refugee camps hey? <aude> erica was interested in the kenyans but i didn't get a chance to make introduction *** maning [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #hot <skorasaurus> harry-wood: at least in the one that I'm validating at the moment, yes. <skorasaurus> looks like it's 70/30 track over path. <skorasaurus> i'll change the path to track.. <harry-wood> doesnt look too bad though. It's annoying when you get a pocket of one approach surrounded by the rest of the map done the other way <harry-wood> I worked to smooth out the differences on a couple of these jobs <harry-wood> I wonder if we should declare them "finished" soon <harry-wood> or at least de-prioritised on the grounds that they are mostly finished <skorasaurus> anyone hear about the survey results ? <skorasaurus> yeah, I wonder about that well harry-wood ^ <skorasaurus> but they're aren't any other tasks to prioritize it over, except gao ? *** jaakkoh [~email@example.com] has joined #hot <harry-wood> yes gao and another one popped up, where I'm not sure who it was who set it up <harry-wood> this http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/42 mentawai island one <harry-wood> which has a few problems <harry-wood> some areas covered by bing. some not. <harry-wood> the boundary includes a shed load of ocean tiles obviously (which at the moment we dont have a very effective way of eliminating quickly) <jaakkoh> Hi all. I only now got my irc client open (been busy putting down fires). <harry-wood> hello jaakkoh <skorasaurus> hello. <jaakkoh> Hello World! <harry-wood> you're in Haiti right jaakkoh? <harry-wood> (or am I confusing you with someone else?) <jaakkoh> Stuck here like a bad cough ;) <jaakkoh> Seems that at least for another year (two down coming full this September). <jaakkoh> harry-wood : Thanks for the worry about the bot sweeping over. Andy did a nice trick for us there. <harry-wood> yeah I was watching the redaction bot this morning about to sweep over. Didn't realise there was some exclusion logic <jaakkoh> Have you guys discussed the new Bing imagery, btw? (Just picked up from the mention by harry-wood above...) <skorasaurus> jaakkoh: not yet. <harry-wood> we were chatting about it last time <skorasaurus> ah. <jaakkoh> It's much better aligned in HT than the nice artsy (fucked-up-aligned) mosaic. <jaakkoh> ok <harry-wood> as ever I don't really have a clear idea of where the new imagery has appeared <harry-wood> the bing imagery analyzer isn't that great at showing it <jaakkoh> .. but a _lot_ more cloud cov here. .. And a bit dark, to say it nicely. <skorasaurus> I don't think anyone does.^ <harry-wood> oh really? that's annoying <jaakkoh> harry-wood : which is why I still like to draw hires boundaries in OSM (albeit some hate all that do it). <jaakkoh> bot tweak : Actually Andy just bumped the North America minlat to be just above Hispanola. <jaakkoh> after I raised my worry about DR sinking if we don't get some more time. .. That was kind of him. <harry-wood> not according to bounds.xml I think he added haiti exclusion bbox <skorasaurus> jaakkoh: do you need remapping in DR ? * jaakkoh sneaks out for dinner to come back to read all your chat and wise-ass comment later :) <jaakkoh> There's still a _lot_ to do there. So, pls, b my guest! <harry-wood> either way it excluded Haiti for the moment, but I guess it'll be back to eat all that unclean data fairly soon <skorasaurus> it's probably just more productive for me to make the small edit [someone forgetting to add a track, for example] and then marking it validated, rather than invalidating it. <harry-wood> yes <harry-wood> I would say so. If it feels faster to fix it yourself. Just do it that way <harry-wood> Not sure what plans are in the pipeline for improvements to the way the validating goes <harry-wood> needs to be more of a gentle "suggestions for improvement" conversation with the original mapper I think. <harry-wood> http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=-69.49969&lat=18.71025&zoom=10&overlays=overview,w... <-- yeah DR is looking quite red <harry-wood> maybe we should do a hot task manager job to remap it! <harry-wood> it'll be clearer *after* the bot has done its work though <skorasaurus> harry-wood: I agree. <skorasaurus> with the validating and the DR. <harry-wood> ok. I'm going to have to go. Re-installing ubuntu. ....the system is going down for a reboot <harry-wood> Bit of a quiet HOT chat again this time. Unless anyone has urgent topics they're waiting to raise... I guess we finish off and I'll post the IRC logs <skorasaurus> same. <skorasaurus> take care. <harry-wood> bye then <skorasaurus> bye.