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Discuss Tag:shop=kiosk

shop=newsagent proposed

A new tag shop=newsagent is proposed here: Proposed features/Newsagent.

This would mean we add a note to this description linking to that tag and explaining the distinction. The distinction is mainly related to the building type and size. Small "kiosk" shops would still be tagged shop=kiosk, but normal sized shops selling newspapers & magazines would be tagged shop=newsagent. Some things currently tagged as kiosks may end up being re-tagged as newsagents, but this page already clearly mentions building size, and so a normal sized newsagent shop does not really fit the current description. Discuss the proposal over at Talk:Proposed features/Newsagent.

-- Harry Wood 11:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

So Tag:shop=newsagent is now approved. I've mentioned it on this page under a new heading 'similar tags' -- Harry Wood 13:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Coffee kiosk

Question: would you use this tag for a mobile coffee kiosk that has a regular stand at a train station?

-- Jez Nicholson 08:57, 10 Jan 2013 (UTC)

I would recommend against it. Use amenity=cafe. Then to capture the fact that it's a small kiosk/stand, use some other tag. Maybe building=kiosk (anyone else have a recommendation for that?) -- Harry Wood (talk) 10:54, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm moving to using kiosk=coffee (it's not a cafe, which IMO needs to have seats), the current shop=kiosk could also be tagged as kiosk=newsagent. This allows kiosk to represent a common and distinctive type of retail (and information) outlets together with the full range of shop=* tags. This will, for instance, allow much better mapping of the huge number of kiosks present on the British railway system. There is a further advantage to having a separate tag from shop in allowing more flexibility with cartography. It creates a minor irritation for data consumers: i.e. where tag=shop becomes where tag in (shop,kiosk). See my question about this on OSM Help. SK53 (talk) 10:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes some more discussion here:

Should I use shop=kiosk for kiosks which sell specific products which are not covered by the current definition?

Although that's asking a more general question, and I see you're proposing a general tagging approach. kiosk=* for all kinds of shops. So in this case would you use kiosk=cafe? or steer clear of the word cafe altogether because there's no seating?

I was reminded of this discussion recently as I snapped this photo on a train journey (feel free to use this elsewhere to help frame the discussion):

A coffee kiosk... but is it a cafe?

Actually I notice Jez started by asking about mobile coffee kiosks, which is another question again. Maybe those shouldn't actually be mapped at all because they're temporary. But I think that depends how temporary they are.

The kiosk in the photo is not mobile, but can we call it a cafe? I would say yes, based on the products its selling (coffee, tea, biscuits, muffins) but I can see why that might seem a bit wrong. There's clearly a bunch of clarifying tags we can use here. On this node I just added seating=no and takeaway=only, which convey what we need to convey pretty well. I also added building=kiosk.

In my opinion, given these clarifying tags. It's right that it gets the amenity=cafe top level tag, as a broad classification of the products on offer at this thing. It'll get a tea-cup icon in the standard rendering, and people will navigate to it for their morning coffee. But I can see that this is debatable. If people navigate to it expecting a cafe to offer a warm place to sit down, then they'll be disappointed.

-- Harry Wood (talk) 11:20, 10 March 2016 (UTC)