Talk:Tag:landuse=orchard

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fruit=*, optional

landuse=orchard + fruit=apple. Fruit is a simple tag for the species produced within this orchard. This is a private suggestion by me, added on Oct 25, and not covered by the voting below, but it sounds logical and I wish that some renderers include it into their mapping procedure. --FK270673 14:42, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Should be produce=* FrViPofm 14:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Produce(fruit) is implied by tree type. As the page mentions renderers could render based on tree type. --Loshu 07:58, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
For some trees (oaks) the production is not a fruit. I think also that the produce tag would be more common and not reserved for trees. (factories, works...) FrViPofm 22:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

cultivar=*, optional

E.g. landuse=orchard + trees=apple trees + cultivar=Golden Hornet. See Wikipedia:Cultivar, FrViPofm 14:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I know Variety has a different meaning to Cultivar, but might be a 'variety' be more easy to understand?
Or would it be better to adopt the ICBN Ternary style as optional?--Loshu 07:58, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

crop=*, optional

With all the controversy of using trees=* to tag bushy and berry crops, and a separate controversy of using or not using _trees/_tree as part of the tag value (i.e., trees=apple vs. trees=apple_tree vs trees=apple_trees, not to mention a defined, but little used produce=*, or the newly proposed fruit=* above why not adopt a much more universally recognized and flexible crop=* tag? As of April 2011, it has already been used 16 862 times according to taginfo, in the absence of any official definition. Examples:
landuse=orchard + crop=apple
landuse=orchard + crop=avocado
landuse=orchard + crop=strawberry--Ponzu 18:18, 1 April 2011 (BST)

If I ever find something tagged landuse=orchard + crop=strawberry, then I'll immediately retag it as landuse=farmland + crop=strawberry --Cartinus 18:32, 1 April 2011 (BST)
I can see how you may be compelled to do that as strawberry fields are not orchards in any sense. However, consider the OSM schema or at least its representation in this wiki. The landuse=farmland proposal is unspecific. It is 'approved', yet it redirects to landuse=farm. So has it been deprecated in favor of landuse=farm? The landuse=farm page talks about "controversies" and suggests we just "get on with it". In contrast, the landuse=orchard page is well organized and reasoned. The tag allows to unambiguously (well, almost) map an area of farmland used to grow a specific crop and have it be rendered a pleasant shade of green. (Doesn't landuse=farmland promise brown shading?) It also lists many berry crops as applicable. Is the difference in the nature of a strawberry, raspberries or blueberry plant that crucial? Just like many "highways" are not highways (parking isles? foorpaths?) do all "orchards" have to be true orchards? On the other hand, it seems that you support the "crop" tag, which is the point of this discussion. I can live with "farmland" if that's a crucial distinction.--Ponzu 18:57, 1 April 2011 (BST)
If we want to make the osm tagging more and more incomprehensible to new mappers than it already is, yes then we should continue to invent ever more tags that mean something completely different than their dictionary meaning. What are we going to call orchards next? Other semi permanent crops like asparagus? --Cartinus 20:27, 2 April 2011 (BST)
I have not proposed landuse=plantation yet, but I can. This proposal is about the additional tag crop=* to be used in conjunction with the approved landuse=orchard or any other farm-related tag, not whether or not strawberries grow in orchards. --Ponzu 06:10, 6 April 2011 (BST)

Should not be in orchard?

  • Cranberries: cranberries grow in bogs, not orchards. Based on tagging for rice fields, they should be tagged with natural=wetland, wetland=bog, managed=yes, and/or possibly landuse=farm, farm=flooded_crops, crop=cranberries.
  • Strawberries: strawberries grow in low mounds along the ground in fields. If anything, a field of strawberries may be known as a "patch" but never as an orchard. I would recommend they be tagged landuse=farm, crop=strawberries, as mentioned above.

Whats the difference?

  • landuse=orchard = fruit trees harvested for their fruits
  • landuse=plantation = fruit, berries, and other plants, generally taller than ground plants, harvested for their fruits, berries, leaves, sap, or similar
  • landuse=vineyard = grape bushes grown for producing wine
  • landuse=farm = any other type of vegetation (not bushes or trees) managed for harvest
Am I right? So where do one draw the line between them? --Skippern (talk) 07:54, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to move the "tree list" to key:trees

The treelist is shown in tag:landuse=orchard and key:trees. I suggest to show the list only in key:trees as it is widely usage in the wiki (e.g. tag:tourism=information, tag:amenity=shelter). The mainpage tag:landuse=orchard will be much more clearly represented. The usage of a template for the tree list can be avoided. The editing will be much easier. The discussion about kind of trees will find a distinct place. --Rudolf (talk) 06:46, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Any objections? --Rudolf (talk) 06:18, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Done at 14 July 2014. --Rudolf (talk) 10:03, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposal to avoid produce=*

I propose to use some simplier tagging for special uses.

With these tags we can avoid the additional produce=*. The tagging-scheme will be simple and definite. Everone can use produce=* at will, but it must not be mandatory.--Rudolf (talk) 10:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

See also Talk:Key:trees. --Rudolf (talk) 07:01, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposal to avoid key:crop

The key:crop is stongly related to landuse=farmland not to landuse=orchard. The mainpage of "crop=" recommend to use trees=* instead of crop=* for orchards. I propose to remove the key "crop=" from the orchard-page. Otherwise we get a lot of redundand tagging, using "crop=" and "trees=". I prefer a distinct tagging-scheme. --Rudolf (talk) 07:19, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

meadow_orchard

There is the concept of a "meadow orchard", which is a a meadow with scattered fruit trees or fruit trees that are planted in a field. Streuobstwiese, or a meadow orchard, is a traditional landscape in the temperate, maritime climate of continental Western Europe and described e.g. here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchard#Meadow_orchard_.28Streuobstwiese.29 . Is the term "meadow orchard" known in english speaking countries, or is this simply a (mis)translation from german?

If "meadow orchard" is correct, it should be proposed as a new value of the landuse tag. --Gormo (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2015 (UTC)