Talk:Proposed features/Lean to
What is the difference between lean_to and amenity=shelter?
It needs to be clarified. Is amenity=shelter more appropriate for an emergency shelter? (small cabin/building/shed). I feel the images in the referenced Wikipedia article is more appropriate than the image reused from the amenity=shelter page? vibrog 17:08, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
- The amenity=shelter page indicates : "Some hut to protect against bad weather conditions. I use it for roofed benches in a forest, but it could also be used for a Bothy  or small alpine huts." tourism=lean_to is really close to the first sentence, but a bothy or small alpine huts whould not be tagged as lean_to according to the lean_to definition. The lean_to tag was created along with others here Proposed features/wilderness_mountain_buildings in order to make it more clear which is what. As I understand it, "amenity=shelter" is a rough estimate of any building providing shelter, while the set of proposition at Proposed features/wilderness_mountain_buildings, while still describing different types of shelters, makes a more precise scales of types of shelters. sletuffe 10:58, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
From the Finnish perspective: maps here usually distinguish three types of rest stops for free public use: 1) proper shelters (huts, cottages [autiotupa, kota]), 2) lean to:s (laavu) and 3) simple fireplaces. They can be tagged as (for example) 1) amenity=shelter, 2) tourism=lean_to and 3) tourism=picnic_site with fireplace=yes.
Current rendering for amenity=shelter strongly suggests that hut is present. If shelter is defined to include lean_to:s too, rendering needs to be fixed and definition clarified.Proposed_features/wilderness_mountain_buildings has good proposals.
It's important to distinguish these. Huts offer protection from weather and bugs. Lean_to:s protect from rain and wet ground, but not from cold or bugs, so they're much tougher sleeping places both winter and summer. Fireplaces do not offer much cover, but at least there's something to sit on, and it's legal to set an open fire there. Jesh 10:20, 25 July 2011 (BST)
I'm ok with what this object tag describes (missing wall(s), simple hut, as cold as outisde, ...) but after much thinking about the word I am not completly satisfied. "Lean to" as the name suggest whould be something that leans to something, and that is not the case for what we want to describe. Before engaging a vote, what about changing the word to something else ? Unfortunetly, I don't have the english vocabulary to find a good simple word, so I'm open for suggestions.
- tourism=laavu (steal it from finish ;-))
(shelter beeing much too generic should be avoided) sletuffe 14:21, 5 April 2012 (BST)
- I looked in an english dictionary: . There are two meanings of lean-to:
- 1 : a wing or extension of a building having a lean-to roof
- 2 : a rough shed or shelter with a lean-to roof
- We refer to the second term. I don't find any other english word.
- It must be pointed out: there should be some walls, mostly three. The style of roof can differ from a lean-to roof (toit à une pente), otherwise we need more tags.--Rudolf 15:46, 5 April 2012 (BST)
- The current description says "not fully closed", so I was going to use tourism=lean_to for those constructions called "kiosque" and commonly found on the réunion island to protect from rain and have a dry pic-nic : (With the addition of the tag wall=no sletuffe 09:22, 9 April 2012 (BST)
Kevin Kenny In the northeastern United States, where I hike, there are hundreds of lean-to's, called that. They are three-sided log buildings, open to the weather in the front, with enough space for (usually) four to ten hikers to roll out their mats and sleeping bags. In most areas, they are free to the public, first-come, first-served. In some places, such as the Bear Mountain and Harriman parks in New York, they are the only lawful places to make camp. Farther south, they are sometimes called "trail shelters;" in the Adirondacks of New York, where the conventional design in the US originated (see ), they have no other name but "lean-to." Any attempt to make a useful map for hiking in the Adirondacks, the Catskills, or the Appalachian Trail corridor would have to show (and distinguish) the lean-tos. I understand that the Finnish laavu, Swedish gapskjul or slogbod, or Norwegian gapahuk are pretty much the same thing.
- Thanks to native speakers ;-) We now know this word is well suited sletuffe 09:22, 9 April 2012 (BST)