Talk:Tag:amenity=language school
Difference from amenity=college?
An amenity=college is definied as place for further education or continuing education. I believe this would include language schools. --Jeisenbe (talk) 05:04, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Not in my opinion. College would be typically comprehensive, full-time education. Language school is typically few hours per week only, and very specialised. Same for driving school. --Polarbear w (talk) 13:25, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- An amenity=university is usually attended full-time, but an amenity=college which offers further education or continuing education for adults is often part-time, perhaps night or weekend classes for adults who are working a day job. However, many language schools provide intensive classes. My wife has taught at full-time language institutes in the USA where the students have class several hours every day, and I took classes in Indonesian at a language school that had class 4 hours every day for the first 3 months, then 3 hours a day for the next 9 months.--Jeisenbe (talk) 14:43, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- While, in a complex world, it is always possible to find counter-examples, I see no need to change the current tagging scheme here. There have been several attempts to restructure tagging educational institutions in general, they all failed. --Polarbear w (talk) 23:14, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- 1) Can you please provide an example of a language school where most students only study "a few hours per week?" Generally foreign students need a Student Visa, which requires a minimum number of instructional hours per week - usually 12 hours (in the USA, Costa Rica and Indonesia - the 3 countries where I have personal experience).
- 2) Please provide an example of a place where you would use amenity=college
- 3) Note that Further Education includes "awards, certificates, diplomas and other vocational, competency-based qualifications" and "intermediate, advanced or follow-up qualification necessary to progress into HE (University), or to begin a specific career path" - for example "land-based colleges (specializing in agriculture, horticulture); Specialist designated colleges; Art, design and performing art colleges" - so this clearly includes features like art schools, drama/theatre schools, and trade schools.--Jeisenbe (talk) 00:56, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- While, in a complex world, it is always possible to find counter-examples, I see no need to change the current tagging scheme here. There have been several attempts to restructure tagging educational institutions in general, they all failed. --Polarbear w (talk) 23:14, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- An amenity=university is usually attended full-time, but an amenity=college which offers further education or continuing education for adults is often part-time, perhaps night or weekend classes for adults who are working a day job. However, many language schools provide intensive classes. My wife has taught at full-time language institutes in the USA where the students have class several hours every day, and I took classes in Indonesian at a language school that had class 4 hours every day for the first 3 months, then 3 hours a day for the next 9 months.--Jeisenbe (talk) 14:43, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Your primary perspective are students coming into country X to learn Xish, where they might need a visa in your example of the USA. They do not need one in Europe for example, when they come from another country of the European Union. A lot of people learn Xish in their home country, and rarely do that full time. Thus here in Germany, there are lots of small language schools where you learn Spanish, French, English or Japanese. Anyway, I appreciate your extension to refer to college as "see also", so the mapper can decide which is appropriate for the object to map. I will re-introduce the term "second language", as this is a fixed term in teaching methodology e.g. in ESL English as a Second Language, mostly to distinguish from English as the primary language taught to native students, regardless if that is a further foreign language the person learns. --Polarbear w (talk) 10:40, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, it says 'foreign' which is fine. It is very confusing when you make contradicting edits and revert yourself within minutes. I would appreciate if you could use the "Show Preview" function a bit more and only submit edits that you are happy with yourself. There is no race. Thanks. --Polarbear w (talk) 10:48, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Icon
It seems there is no dedicated icon for this tag. Any particular reason behind it or just one should make one and share? Is it should be made, please share what are the requirements. Ahangarha (talk) 10:43, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
For your interest, there are many applications which use OpenStreetMap. They all decide what tags to render with what icons. Ask the maintainers of those projects to add something. Pietervdvn (talk) 13:41, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Using language:<lg>=taught instead of yes
language:<lg> is getting used more and more to indicate what language the courses are given in and what the administration speaks. Especially in combination with `amenity=school; language:<lg>=yes` in bilingual areas, the language tag can be confusing. I opened up a discussion to change tagging on the tagging mailing list. Pietervdvn (talk) 15:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)