If we get consensus on what would communicate best, I, vpbroman, would be willing to put in some work to regularize names globally for LDS, Community of Christ, etc.
- For myself, I would prefer the tag "latter-day saint" instead of "mormon". I won't even get into the whole hyphen issue between the Josephites and the Brighamites (most of the followers of Joseph Smith who didn't follow Brigham Young out west tend not to use the hyphen between latter and day), but it seems simple enough. Also, this follows press use guidelines as put out formally by the LDS Church... as if that really matter here. "latter-day_saint" is also reasonable. --Robert Horning 17:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
FYI as of right now the most common denomination value in use for LDS churches is latter_day_saints with 141 uses. ToeBee 01:37, 1 August 2012 (BST)
My practice now is to tag LDS properties with religion=christian denomination=mormon and operator="The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". I also watch out for nodes with mormon-related terminology, to see whether they need to marked "Community of Christ" or the like. That will be a bigger job in the MidWest USA.
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- Using denomination=mormon would be quite confusing. "Mormon" is a cultural category, based on a nickname; there is no one "Mormon Church". Mormons might belong to any church or no church, but most belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a good number belong to the Community of Christ, and others belong to one of many small splinter groups. These churches may be categorized as "Restorationist", but they do not consider each other to be allies or under the same big tent. Journalists frequently confuse the polygamist splinter groups with the big church centered in Utah (which discontinued polygamy in 1890). We shouldn't be confusing more people to save a few keystrokes.
- Using latter_day_saint or lds should be fine, since all the other denominations are named in English. A few nodes are already tagged with a full name. Perhaps denomination:de=hlt, or denomination:fr=sdj, or the like could work. --vpbroman 18:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- This is just too complicated for users and contributors who are not familiar with the ramifications of the structure of "mormon" churches. The same discussion can be had for most other denomination=* categories, for instance denomination=quaker: again its a nickname, but it is what is widely understood. If it is required to disambiguate these different organisations there are plenty of other suitable means, such as using operator=* to provide the legal name of the church. Or you could do something like add an additional mormon=latter_day_saints. Remember the objective of OSM is to map objects, not build a database of church organisational hierarchies. SK53 11:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I moved this while cleaning up the wiki page. --MRPockets 19:27, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
This tag still has no solid consensus?
As of 2018, denomination=mormon has approximately a 45:1 ratio of tagging use compared to any other variant (lds, latter_day_saint[s], etc.) I made an edit which I assumed was a relatively safe cleanup of these into the 'mormon' denomination key. Fairly enough this was called out as a mechanical edit so I reverted it pending discussion, but there are two questions on the table at this point:
1. denomination=mormon has ~5700 tags today. Other variants as listed on the main page have ~130. I might make the argument at this point that a preferred tag has made itself known, if for no other reason by sheer numbers of use. If this is the case, it's probably reasonable to amend the parent page here say that 'this is the tag most used'.
2. If denomination=mormon is NOT the tag that really should be being used for reasons of church style preference, etc., then a different edit is likely needed, one that moves the ones currently used to the preferred tag, or otherwise (again) amends the wiki to encourage the use of this 'other' tag, which it doesn't clearly do today.
I'm not strongly invested in which tag or tags are used, though I do believe that consistency of its use to represent the same organization is a laudable goal. Thoughts on where we are here? Skybunny (talk) 21:09, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
--- Yesterday, 7 October 2018, the president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints gave an address in which he explained the importance of using the full name of the Church. In particular, the terms "Mormon" and "LDS" were discouraged. The style guide says: 'While the term "Mormon Church" has long been publicly applied to the Church as a nickname, it is not an authorized title, and the Church discourages its use. Thus, please avoid using the abbreviation "LDS" or the nickname "Mormon" as substitutes for the name of the Church, as in "Mormon Church," "LDS Church," or "Church of the Latter-day Saints.'
I admit to being the first to suggest, over ten years ago, that the full name of the Church was too long to enter into the OSM database. However, as a member of the Church, (and a person who considers the President of the Church to be a living prophet) I now consider that my previous position was incorrect. Buildings owned by the Utah church should be re-labeled with the full name. Buildings operated by other denominations of the restoration movement, such as the Community of Christ, should be labeled with their preferred name.
Given the size of this edit, the change would best be done automatically. However, it could also be accomplished by manual comparison with the Church's own online map. According to official statistics there are presently 30,506 local congregations. Given that some meet in temporary space, and that up to three congregations may share a meeting house, it would seem that between 10,000 and 20,000 buildings should be so tagged.