Talk:Tag:piste:type=ski jump landing

Hello, back in 2020, the page was:

The landing zone in a ski jumping facility, as a single way or a closed way with area=yes.

You changed it to: In the past some mappers have used this tag for the landing zone of a ski jumping hill. This additional tag is not necessary, however, as the landing area can always be identified as lower part of a ski jumping hill below the takoff point. The entire ski jumping hill may be tagged with piste:type=ski_jump instead.

However, this doesn't work when the landing is mapped as an area, and I'm afraid we cannot avoid such micro-mapping from OSM contributors, especially from something like ski jumps facilities where so much can be spotted from aerial imagery. What do you think?--Yvecai (talk) 10:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

I do not understand why it does not work on an area. That area may simply be mapped with as a polygon and tagged with piste:type=ski_jump. This is already done for the majority of ski jumps in OSM - they are just tagged with piste:type=ski_jump. It is also following the convention of piste:type=downhill, which is very friendly for mappers. The division between the in-run and the landing area may be determined by mapping the take-off point as piste:takeoff=yes, if desired.

As we have discussed before there is no need for piste:type=ski_jump_landing. It could be deprecated. piste_type=ski_jump_landing is currently used 841 times, while piste:type=ski_jump_landing is used only 158 times. I proposed this change four years ago in 2018 ago and there has been no protests The current tagging is no coherent and in regular use, so I would not change it.

Please also see the second paragraph on the piste:type=ski_jump wiki, where area=yes is included. --NKA (talk) 11:03, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

That's 158 places where user wanted to express something different, I'm not sure it can be neglected. Also, I find it a bit clumsy (and complicated) to split the way at a particular point for, say, rendering purpose.

The majority of those places were created before 2020. Anyway, it is not forbidden to use piste:type=ski_jump_landing, just discouraged. I think you are promoting a feature which is not needed and not asked for, and which may be perfectly mapped with a piste:type=ski_jump polygon. Let us try to achieve simplicity here, not confusing and overlapping features. And we are not mapping for the renderer.--NKA (talk) 12:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)