User:Grin/cakes

User talk:Bkil/amenity=dessert tried to unify dessert selling places, but I do not feel like it's the good direction. There is no standard naming of places, and there is no standard assortments. I would prefer the following categories used for tagging the features, regardless of the possible imprecise main tagging (eg. tagging something amenity=confectionery when they sell coffee and cookies, too).

Theory

I am not yet sure what tagging schema should show this, to make all possible permutations available and searchable.

What can you buy

• selling confectionery which is sweet sugary stuff, eg. chocolate cake: yes/no
• selling pastry which is baked, flour based bakery-style sweet and salty stuff, like cookie/biscuit, pie, croissant, donut: yes/no
• selling cofee
• selling ice cream
• selling soft drinks

How can yo buy

• amenity: can you sit at a table and consume what you buy
• shop: can (oh should) you take it away
• can you pre-order

Where does it originate

It may mean a definitive quality difference.

• they create it locally (craft)
• they buy it from elsewhere

Tagging

What we have now

• amenities (you can sit in):
  • amenity=cafe - coffee, also bakery stuff, and you can sit in; often sells alcoholic beverages
  • amenity=ice_cream - ice cream is sold and consumed
• shops (you buy and take away):
  • shop=pastry - bakery style (cookies/buscuits, pies)
  • shop=confectionery - cake style (cake, candy)
  • shop=bakery - mainly bread; possibly bakery style; created locally
• crafts (they create but do not sell):
  • craft=confectionery - creating sweets but not selling them locally

• Stuff they sell:
  • cuisine=coffee_shop (typically for amenity=*)
  • cuisine=ice_cream
  • cuisine=cake (low usage)
  • cuisine=dessert (very low usage!)

Missing

• amenities (you can sit in):
  • amenity=confectionery - you can sit in to eat cake
  • amenity=pastry - you can sit in and eat cookies

• what can you buy:
  • cuisine:confectionery=yes
  • cuisine:pastry=yes
  • cuisine:coffee=yes
  • cuisine:bread=yes
  • cuisine:ice_cream=yes

Examples

You can sit in or take away, buy sweets, cakes, usually ice cream too, and it is created locally:

Now: You can sit, eat cakes, sugary stuff:

• HU cukrászda, CZ cukrárna, SL cukráreň, IT Pasticceria dolce, PL cukiernia
  • amenity=confectionery, ice_cream=*
  • shop=confectionery

Suggested:

• amenity=confectionery (or pastry or cafe or bakery, does not matter as long as it's amenity)
• cuisine:confectionery=yes
• drink:coffee=yes
• drink:soft_drink=yes

Now: You can sit in or take away and buy pastries, eg. cookies, biscuits, sweet bakery stuff:

• DE Konditorei, FR patisserie, IT Pasticceria salata, PL ciastkarnia
  • amenity=pastry
  • amenity=cafe
  • shop=pastry

Suggested:

• amenity=pastry (or pastry or cafe or bakery, does not matter as long as it's amenity)
• cuisine:pastry=yes
• drink:coffee=yes

A place selling many things: You sit and eat various sweet or salty stuff:

• amenity=confectionery (or pastry or cafe or bakery, does not matter as long as it's amenity)
• cuisine:confectionery=yes
• cuisine:pastry=yes
• drink:coffee=yes
• drink:soft_drink=yes

A place selling various stuff but you cannot have a table:

• shop=pastry (or confctionery or bakery, does not matter as long as it's shop)
• cuisine:confectionery=yes
• cuisine:pastry=yes
• drink:soft_drink=yes