Talk:Mountainbike

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Cleaned up

Deleted some old now irrelevant discussions -- see archive if you are interested in how tags were worked out. --Extremecarver 23:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

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I think the mountainbike portal is pretty complete and stable now. Would be great if the Italian and German page were updated.--Extremecarver 23:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Still missing

What we are still missing is a proper format for depicting nice routes/trails that are not official routes (most official mtb routes are plain boring if you're not a XC addict). I don't like the subjective factor on it, but see no other chance than to make relations for the favourite personal routes. It should be clear that they are not official (however if people start mapping underground wastwater systems, and that IMHO crap even makes it a featured Image, we should add our favourite trails into osm too (as relations). I think from a technical standpoint we have covered all important features.--Extremecarver 23:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea of mapping favourite routes. There should be some indication of what 'type' of biker likes the route. Maybe even think of more than just mountainbikes. E.g., I'm biking on a trekking bike (by which I mean a cross bike with full street kit) and I like the mtb-maps. I just keep to the tracks with grade 0-1. Something similar could work for the favourite routes. Maybe it would even be possible to have family friendly routes etc. tikey 09:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

@ vibrog / outdated/abandoned proposals

Try not to dig out abandoned proposals. Marked Trails has been abandoned. So it should not be advised for usage. If you wan't to use it then contact HawkeeKubajz for reopening that proposal. I find it pretty usefull too (but not in it's current state). As for Proposed_features/Dry_weather I think this has been largely replaced by Access (date on / date off) and is therefore not needed. I don't think either of theese two tags are used widely so before advising to use these tags, the respective proposals have to be worked on. Otherwise we will end up changing the guideline on how to best tag mountainbiketrails every week.

Ouch, I oversaw that marked_trail is abandoned (probably because I didn't want to know it was). Not having the ability to reference marked trails on hiking and mountain biking maps is terrible. marked_trail or a similar tag needs to be part of a tag kit for trails. Anyone of us who want to take up that work again? I'd prefer to see marked_trail in a draft status, at least, i'm using it a lot. --vibrog 10:24, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
The only thing "approved" we have, and that is not that bad is trail_visibility=* . It is not enought, but it is at least something. Colored marks on trail should probably re-open, and I would be in favor of, but don't have the energy to re-open because the color is not "that" important Sletuffe 13:04, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
When I find the time I'll try to reopen marked trails. We need to find a not too difficult system (i.e. to put all possible color combinations into a table and the user then chooses only a number to put into the tag as recommended action. I have added key:incline to the list. I think it is somehow approved, if it is not please take it out again and we will should open one more proposal for it.--Extremecarver 14:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Please reopen! But remember, not all Trails are marked by colors, there are also numbers, shapes, or even pictures! --Kaivi 11:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
A trailblazed=yes-scheme is adequate for me. Then one can imagine extensions for it, such as trailblazed:color=

Archived - why does it need to be so difficult

I could do with some examples of already tagged MTB ways of different kinds.

Given that I am "just a guy who goes out riding", I have no idea of all these grading systems. What I am looking for as a basic tag is something like mtb=yes. Most of the trails I ride in both directions. I.e. they aren't uphill or downhill. OK there are a few trails that I pass that have black diamond or blue square on them.

All the different classifications? Around here "North Shore" refers to a place ;)

I'd appreciate comments on some local ways here 1 and 2 most of these are tagged with highway=cycleway. I've seen that this is not preferred, yet elsewhere I see "The highway=cycleway is the primary way to indicate that the used way is mainly or exclusively for bicycles." Doesn't a dedicated MTB track fit this description? --EliotB 08:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Please read through some of the discussions here, the problem is that mtb=yes would be a legal description (mtbikes allowed) which doesn't serve our purpose at all, because legally a mtb is simply a bicycle. If it's not artificially built for mtbikes, it usually isn't primarilly for us. Of course now we could invent a tag to say mtbiking is possible here, but then that would be completely different for mtbikers what they see as rideable, therefore the classification scheme. We classify in a way that the average person would describe it (path, track, etc...) but then add the difficulty for mtbiking. Furthermore this relieves us from the pressure that in many places the majority of ways used for mtbiking is used illegally, classifying the difficulty is not forbidden however, saying mtb=yes would be propagating to use ways not legal for mtbiking. So we can have a way with bicycle=no (legal description) and mtb:scale=2 (technical description so we know what to expect). --Extremecarver 09:21, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
OK, I understand the legal thing now. Still if possible I'd like to see some links to example tracks of different kinds that are tagged "correctly" according to current proposals - that is with sufficient tags that they could be rendered as MTB tracks, and no excessive or incorrect tags. My local tracks are mostly purpose made singletrack for MTB, through natural landscape and hazards, in general park (not MTB park as such).
You know this page, don't you - there are the pictures to the classification? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/mtb_scale Concerning Uphill. The general tagging is mtb:scale (based on the Singletails Scale), Mainly for USA there is the IMBA scale, a user from NZ just said that they have their own system too, so they would tag mtb:scale:nz=1-6. The mtb:scale:uphill is universal - as all scales only look at the downhill or level difficulty. So ways that go down steep, can additionally be tagged with mtb:scale:uphill to indicate how difficult it is to go uphill. If you tracks are more or less level - then you don't need it.

Local rating systems

I think it would be good to be able to tag trails both with mtb:scale (universal rating scale) but also a local scale. For example, if a given mountain uses Green/Blue/Black, that information might be more useful to a given user than the mtb:scale tag. It's also easier to tag, and doesn't require a personal assessment of the tag. Thoughts? Stevage 00:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Well there needs to be some sort of machine readability with local trail scales. At least in Europe local trail scales are usually only used on purpose built/designed tracks. And what difficulty is classified black on one bikepark might be blue or green on another. Often such trails lift accessed and for orientation you probably don't need to know local scale. I don't think local scales provide much information except that you can correspond to some maps being displayed in the resort. I would think mtb:scale:local=value would be an appropriate key.
Both cross-country skiing and downhill skiing ways/relations use piste:difficulty=easy|intermediate|advanced which translates to blue, red and black respectively. I think this kind of classification is commonly used for many sports related trails/courses. My proposal would therefor be to use mtb:difficulty with easy|intermediate|advanced values for an entire relation. The scale tags should IMHO be used on individual ways, in any MTB trail, these scales can obviously very much vary. My site uses that to render the trails accordingly: www.xctrails.org --Arminus 19:59, 17 May 2011 (BST)

Entry points to MTB trails

When I ride in new areas, it would really help me to know where the local trails/tracks/singles start, so I can ride them in the right direction. By "start" I mean an entry point on a track that is a) easily accessible from nearby tracks, and b) allows to ride a specific trail/track/single in the "right" direction, such that will allow me to ride along local riders, and not opposite to them. Hence, a track can have several such entry points. My suggestion is to mark such nodes with the tag 'highway=trailhead'. Such tags already exist on OSM. Before submitting a proposal for this, I'd like to get some feedback on this idea. It was already discussed a bit at the forum [1]. --adrukh 19:59, 5 October 2010 (BST)

Proposed move to 'Mountain biking'

Can I suggest that we move this article to 'Mountain biking'? The proposed tile would fit well with Hiking, Whitewater sports and Winter sports which cover similar activities and interests.

good, no problems for me. sletuffe 15:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
okay (though mountainbiking and not mountain biking), but put a hardlink here so that it still works. Though usually one doesn't speak about Mountain biking but simple MTB or Mountainbike or Mountainbiking -- don't use 2 words. --Extremecarver 18:44, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
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