Proposal:Gambling
For the proposal in 2009 with the same title, see Proposed_features/Gambling/2009.
| Gambling | |
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| Proposal status: | Approved (active) |
| Proposed by: | Math1985 |
| Tagging: | Various=Various |
| Applies to: |  
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| Definition: | Various |
| Statistics: |
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| Rendered as: | Various |
| Draft started: | 2013-11-02 |
| RFC start: | 2013-11-03 |
| Vote start: | 2014-01-01 |
| Vote end: | 2014-01-27 |
Summary
This proposal aims to define tags for various gambling venues. It does not cover gambling activities in venues in which gambling is not the main activity, such as lottery tickets available in news agents, and slot machines in pubs.
The proposal can be summarized as follows:
- A new tag leisure=adult_gaming_centre is proposed for venues with slot machines (but without croupiers and table games), which are perceived as distinct from both casinos and amusement arcades.
- The tag leisure=video_arcade is replaced by leisure=amusement_arcade, in order for it also to include games like pin ball, which might be found in such arcades.
- This proposal discourages the tags shop=betting, and shop=gambling. The tag shop=betting is duplicate with the more commonly used shop=bookmaker. The tag shop=gambling is duplicate with the more commonly used amenity=gambling.
- The tag amenity=gambling is duplicate with bookmakers, lottery shops, casinos, and adult gaming centres. These categories are now explicitly excluded from amenity=gambling, as each of them already have their own tag.
- The proposal of the other tags confirms current usage.
This proposal comprises the following tags:
| shop=bookmaker | A shop that takes bets on sporting and other events at agreed upon odds. |
| shop=lottery | A shop of which the main purpose is the sale of lottery tickets. |
| amenity=casino | A gambling venue with at least one table game. |
| leisure=adult_gaming_centre | A venue with gambling machines. |
| leisure=amusement_arcade | A venue with pay-to-play games. |
| amenity=gambling | A place for gambling, not being a bookmaker, lottery shop, casino, or adult gaming centre. |
| leisure=video_arcade | DISCOURAGED, use leisure=amusement_arcade instead. |
| shop=betting | DISCOURAGED, use shop=bookmaker, shop=lottery, amenity=casino, leisure=amusement_arcade, or amenity=gambling instead. |
| shop=gambling | DISCOURAGED, use shop=bookmaker, shop=lottery, amenity=casino, leisure=amusement_arcade, or amenity=gambling instead. |
Background
Related proposals
The tags for amenity=casino and shop=bookmaker have been proposed but these proposals have been abandoned. The other tags are de facto. There has also been an (abandoned) proposal for the gambling=* key space.
- Proposed_features/Bookmaker (abandoned)
- Proposed_features/Casino (abandoned)
- Proposed_features/Gambling/2009 (abandoned)
Current use
There are currently various tags for gambling-related shops and amenities in use. They include the following tags (together with frequency of usage):
| amenity=casino | 1089 |
| amenity=gambling | 877 |
| shop=bookmaker | 526 |
| shop=betting | 496 |
| leisure=video_arcade | 221 |
| shop=lottery | 192 |
| shop=gambling | 113 |
| amenity=amusement_arcade | 11 |
To see how these tags are used, I compared the tagging of some larger gambling chains.
- William Hill and Ladbrokes are bookmakers.
- Fair Play, Merkur, Löwen Play, and Fenikss call themselves casinos, but have no croupiers, only machines.
- Holland Casino is a chain of large casinos with croupiers.
- ONCE, Charlitto, Lotto and Lottózó are lotteries.
The distribution is as follows:
| TOTAL | William Hill | Ladbrokes | Fair Play | Merkur | Löwen Play | Fenikss | Holland Casino | ONCE | Charlitto | Lotto | Lottózó | |
| amenity=casino | 1089 | 1 | 1 | 6 | 22 | 21 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| amenity=gambling | 877 | 18 | 17 | 3 | 14 | 14 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 0 |
| shop=bookmaker | 526 | 109 | 101 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| shop=betting | 496 | 92 | 90 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 |
| leisure=video_arcade | 221 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| shop=lottery | 192 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 9 | 0 |
| shop=gambling | 113 | 8 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 3 |
| amenity=amusement_arcade | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Proposal
Bookmaker (shop=bookmaker)
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Definition
A shop that takes bets on sporting and other events at agreed upon odds.
Summary
A bookmaker is a place where customers can gamble money on the outcome of an event, usually a sporting event such as a horse race or football match.
Examples
Examples of bookmaker chains are:
- Ladbrokes (UK)
- Coral (UK)
- William Hill (UK)
- Fortuna (Poland)
Similar tags
- shop=lottery: A shop of which the main purpose is the sale of lottery tickets.
- amenity=gambling: A place for gambling, not being a bookmaker, lottery shop, casino, or adult gaming centre.
Lottery (shop=lottery)
Definition
A shop of which the main or only purpose is the sale of lottery tickets.
Summary
This tag is used for places with as only or main purpose the sell of lottery tickets.
Customers might take part in the lottery by either handing in lottery forms out of which a prize is drawn later, or by buying Scratchcards.
Dedicated lottery shops are common in some countries, such as Spain. In many other countries, lottery tickets are not bought in dedicated lottery shops, but for instance in shop=newsagent, so in such countries, the tag shop=lottery will not used.
Examples
- ONCE
- Lotto
- Lottery shop in Brazil: http://allexmoreira.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/grande-inauduracao-da-loterica-trevo-da.html
- Lottery shop in Spain: http://www.azarplus.com/fotos/noticias_fotocabecera_1713.jpg
- Lottery shop in Argentina: http://www.diarioepoca.com/notix2/multimedia/imagenes/fotos/2012-09-26/710194.jpg
Similar tags
This tag has overlap with the following tags:
- shop=bookmaker: A shop that takes bets on sporting and other events at agreed upon odds.
- amenity=gambling: A place for gambling, not being a bookmaker, lottery shop, casino, or adult gaming centre.
- shop=newsagent: A shop primarily selling newspapers, and magazines, which might also sell lottery tickets. Such shops might even be named after a lottery, such as German 'Lottoladen', but should still be tagged as shop=newsagent. An example of a German Lottoladen: www.hit.de/regional/partner_image/071/071_Lotto_Shop.jpg.
Casino (amenity=casino)
Definition
A gambling venue with at least one table game.
Summary
A gambling venue with at least one table game (e.g. roulette, blackjack). The presence of a croupier is assumed.
Examples
- Holland Casino (The Netherlands)
Similar tags
- leisure=adult_gaming_centre: For places with gambling machines but without table games or croupiers (for example places with just slot machines), even if such places advertise themselves as 'casino'.
- leisure=amusement_arcade: A venue with pay-to-play games.
- amenity=gambling: A place for gambling, not being a bookmaker, lottery shop, casino, or adult gaming centre.
Adult Gaming Centre (leisure=adult_gaming_centre)
Definition
A venue with gambling machines.
Summary
This tag is used for venues with gambling machines, such as slot machines. There might also be other pay-to-play games, such as video games, driving simulators, pinball machines, etc. Such venues typically have an age limit. As opposed to casinos, amusement arcades have typically strict limits on stakes and payouts, and there are no croupiers or table games.
Examples
- Merkur (Germany)
- Löwen Play (Germany)
- Fair Play (The Netherlands)
- Cashino (UK)
Similar tags
- amenity=casino: A gambling venue with at least one table game.
- amenity=gambling: A place for gambling, not being a bookmaker, lottery shop, casino, or adult gaming centre.
- leisure=adult_gaming_centre: A venue with gambling machines.
Amusement arcade (leisure=amusement_arcade)
Definition
A venue with pay-to-play games.
Summary
This tag is used for venues with pay-to-play games, such as video games, driving simulators, pinball machines, merchandisers, etc.). As opposed to leisure=adult_gaming_centre
Similar tags
- amenity=casino: A gambling venue with at least one table game.
- amenity=gambling: A place for gambling, not being a bookmaker, lottery shop, casino, or adult gaming centre.
- leisure=adult_gaming_centre: A venue with gambling machines.
Gambling (amenity=gambling)
Definition
A place for gambling, not being a bookmaker, lottery shop, casino, or adult gaming centre.
Summary
A place where one can gamble. Note that bookmakers, lottery shops, casinos, and amusement arcades all have their own tag.
Related tags
Use the gambling=* tag to indicate the type of gambling taking place,for example gambling=bingo or gambling=pachinko.
Similar tags
- shop=bookmaker: A shop that takes bets on sporting and other events at agreed upon odds.
- shop=lottery: A shop of which the main purpose is the sale of lottery tickets.
- amenity=casino: A gambling venue with at least one table game.
- leisure=adult_gaming_centre: A venue with gambling machines.
DISCOURAGED: Video arcade (leisure=video_arcade)
Definition
DISCOURAGED, use leisure=amusement_arcade instead.
Similar tags
- leisure=adult_gaming_centre: A venue with gambling machines.
- leisure=amusement_arcade: A venue with pay-to-play games.
DISCOURAGED: Betting (shop=betting)
Definition
DISCOURAGED, use shop=bookmaker, shop=lottery, amenity=casino, leisure=amusement_arcade, or amenity=gambling instead.
Similar tags
- shop=bookmaker: A shop that takes bets on sporting and other events at agreed upon odds.
- shop=lottery: A shop of which the main purpose is the sale of lottery tickets.
- amenity=casino: A gambling venue with at least one table game.
- leisure=adult_gaming_centre: A venue with gambling machines.
- amenity=gambling: A place for gambling, not being a bookmaker, lottery shop, casino, or adult gaming centre.
DISCOURAGED: Gambling (shop=gambling)
Definition
DISCOURAGED, use shop=bookmaker, shop=lottery, amenity=casino, leisure=amusement_arcade, or amenity=gambling instead.
Similar tags
- shop=bookmaker: A shop that takes bets on sporting and other events at agreed upon odds.
- shop=lottery: A shop of which the main purpose is the sale of lottery tickets.
- amenity=casino: A gambling venue with at least one table game.
- amenity=gambling: A place for gambling, not being a bookmaker, lottery shop, casino, or adult gaming centre.
- leisure=adult_gaming_centre: A venue with gambling machines.
Voting
Please use {{vote|yes}} or {{vote|no}} and give your reasons to oppose. Use ~~~~ to sign your user name & date.
I approve this proposal. Sev Hotosm (talk) 18:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Dieterdreist (talk) 02:11, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. Janko (talk) 23:15, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Foxxi59 (talk) 10:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. Bigfatfrog67 (talk) 00:30, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. Good proposal with examples and documentation. Although I'm not a fan of leisure=adult_gaming_centre - it just doesn't feel intuitive to me. Especially as it should be only for "venues with slot machines" - so why not call it something like slot_machines_venue (I'm obviously not a native speaker ;-) ) --Imagic (talk) 07:42, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. I like it in general, but there's one detail I don't like - but I don't think this affects voting. This proposal splits gambling features to shop, leisure and amenity as tags. I would propose to add a tag gambling=* and replace amenity=gambling by it. Amenity=gambling is not compatible to be combined with cafe, bar, pub etc., which might be a common combination; and using gambling=* (which might be yes instead of amenity=gambling, but bookmaker, lottery, casino and so on in the other cases). Nevertheless in general I approve this proposal. --Jongleur (talk) 10:11, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- This proposal 'does not cover gambling activities in venues in which gambling is not the main activity'. The proposed tags are thus not meant to be combined with amenity=cafe etc. I agree that a key gambling= might make sense to tag gambling opportunities in cafes etc. Math1985 (talk) 12:25, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. I'm gonna also have to disagree specifically with Jongleur; Casinos typically have a lot of other actual amenities. amenity=* is already overloaded, this handles the situation better. Paul Johnson (talk) 16:16, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. Sky One (talk) 16:16, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
I oppose this proposal. See my comments on the talk page. By the way, it is bad manner to start voting just after someone started discussion on the talk page. --Fkv (talk) 04:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
- The current proposal is the result of consensus achieved on the tagging mailing list, and has been discussed since September. I had not seen your comments on the Talk page. I admit I should have checked it before starting the proposal, and I would like to offer my excuses for not having done that. However, I don't think it matters for the final result, which is wide support for the proposal. Math1985 (talk) 01:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Danstowell (talk) 17:44, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- I approve this proposal. --Dz-1 (talk) 07:46, 20 January 2014 (UTC)