Talk:Proposed features/hypermarket

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Comments started on the proposal page

  • I don't think we need this. Usually you can distinguish a supermarket from a hypermarket just by knowing the name or you can simply look at the size of the surroundings. -- Ulfl 13:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I think this would be useful. I'm not sure about other places in the world, but in the US, there is quite a difference between hypermarkets, supermarkets, and the discount "department stores." Often you wouldn't be able to tell the difference (based on size/location alone) between a hypermarket like Super Wal-Mart (which has groceries) and either a big supermarket or a regular big retail store. The name of the store wouldn't necessarily be helpful, especially to someone from out of town/country/etc. --Elsaturnino 15:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
  • What is the purpose with differing a supermarket from a hypermarket? I don't see how this can be useful, and I don't really see the difference. --Skippern 19:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I personally believe shop=department_store covers hypermarkets enough. The only noticeable difference is that hypermarkets offer groceries whilst typical department stores do not. CrystalWalrein 00:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
  • I think this would be useful. In Italy the situation is similar to France: Carrefour, Auchan, etc. :-) We can't buy a TV, a washing machine, a PC in a supermarket, but we can do it in a hypermarket--Stemby 15:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
  • In Bulgaria there are big differences between a supermarket and a hypermarket. Supermarkets are more like neighbour shops for food and house stuff. Hypermarkets are lots bigger and have more specific goods. Also they might have their own parking lots, parks, etc. Super/hyper-market are two different things and there should be tags for both. ivanatora 10:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
  • There is a Great Need™, IMO. The name of the store is not enough. Some Walmarts have groceries, some do not. Ditto for Target. (To be fair, most Walmarts with food are technically designated "Walmart Supercenter". But not so for Target. And this is not always indicated on highway and roadside signage.) By "groceries" I mean perishable food, BTW. All Walmarts and Targets sell dry goods, as do most drugstores and convenience stores. As for shop=department_store, the problem is that US hypermarkets do not fit the OSM description for department store. Also, in the US, normal department stores sell no food at all. E.g. Sears, Macy's, Nordstrom's. (Kmart does, but that's becoming more like Walmart by the day. As it turns out, that's what sells. Sears stores are an endangered species. And, incidentally, owned by Kmart.) -KTyler 22:57, 5 June 2012 (BST)
  • I also find this tag very important to have - not only because "supermarket" and "department store" are both wrong for hypermarkets, but also because without the right tag available editors will continue to alternate between those 2 types, creating inconsistency. "Hypermarket" is a nice word, and I've been applying the tag to Walmarts, Kmarts, Targets, and Costcos in the U.S. In Germany it will be useful for Real stores. Umbugbene (talk) 23:55, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
  • I generally support this idea, but perhaps it should go by the name shop=superstore instead of hypermarket, since hypermarket is often restricted only to stores selling groceries. Perhaps a tag superstore=hypermarket could be used to indicate the presence or absence of a grocery section. --Eliyak (talk) 01:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I also support this. In our country a hypermarket (think Tesco, Carrefour) is different from a supermarket (think Billa). The difference is what user Stemby points above (think TVs). It is still owned by the same company. A department store (or mall) as defined by the OSM wiki page is something completely different (having shops from multiple sellers). --Aceman444 18:43, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Actually, if you stop an think about it, WalMart and Target are really just modern examples of shop=general, just on a much larger scale than what we think about as an old country general store. But with that said, I do agree that WalMart, Target, Carrefour, etc., do not fit either department_store nor supermarket. What we're looking for is a way to categorize a large crossover store that went from general_discount_store->oversized_discount_store->discount_and_supermarket, recognizing that they no longer fit any of the existing categories well. --Jack D. Ripper 19:43, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
  • In my view neither shop=supermarket nor shop=department_store properly describe a hypermarket AKA superstore. Without more information I wouldn't expect a shop=supermarket to have a substantial selection of non-food goods nor would I expect a shop=department_store to sell any food products. I support shop=hypermarket if it is a combination of both e.g. shop=supermarket;department_store. Current practice in OSM to tag a hypermarket is to choose either supermarket or department_store (usually supermarket), or tag each element separately. I find neither method is optimal and with the former, information is lost. Of course my perspective is US-centric, but hypermarkets are a common feature worldwide.--Zeromap (talk) 17:13, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Related proposal : shop subtags

This shall avoid problems with the naming of the "main" tag,
you'll find what you're exactly looking for with shop subtags

if you're looking for
it's not important whether the shop is named

  • shop=seafood
  • shop=convenience
  • shop=supermarket
  • shop=mall
  • shop=department_store
  • amenity=marketplace