Talk:Tag:barrier=entrance

We need this kind of barrier defined --http://chris-researchblog.blogspot.com/ 09:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Implies?

What does "access=yes is understood" mean? Is access=yes implied like in the german version of the page?

yes, from my understanding it is implied by default but as always might be overruled by explicit access tags. —Dieterdreist (talk) 20:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Not at all! Imagine a residential property, there is a garden that starts next to the house and continues on the back. There is a barrier at the front with a gap as a passage. Certainly this passage does not implicitly suggest that the access is authorized, it is obvious that it is a private propriety by its residential nature. Remember that access is primarily a legal description even though some specific values like access=no have a physical interpretation as well, suggesting that it is physically impossible to use (example: collapsed passage of a high and wide wall).

This is an occasion to add that we should avoid features with definitions that go too much against the general consensus, even though i guess some situations can be specific by law depending of the feature but these are usually expressed on the tag with a specific value or prefix/suffix country code either on the key or value. OSM is an international project meant for everyone to use, therefore to understand. It would be illogical to have a Map legend for each country. --SHARCRASH (talk) 12:02, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Do we really need this?

I know there is a fair amount of use of this tag and it has been used since 2009, but is it really necessary to have this tag?

Using the example wiki image:

Instead of making a single way representing the wall and a barrier=entrance at the intersection of the street:

Why not simply represent the object as it really is without using a continuous wall/barrier/way?

--naoliv (talk) 17:43, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

In situations like this I would also map the gap in geometry, but there is also the situation of a hole inside a fence or wall.—Dieterdreist (talk) 20:56, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

While there's something to be said for the simplicity of just leaving a gap in the linear barrier, one benefit of using a barrier=entrance node is the ability to add tags like access or maxwidth to it. --Tordanik 15:52, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree with your logic... but, as others have suggested, this feature does have other uses: keep in mind that some editors like iD, meant primarily for beginners, are really tedious for elaborated plotting. When a contributor plotted a big area which has a barrier of a single type around the complete perimeter, it would just need to add the according tag "barrier=*" to the area already plotted. If a highway passes that area, therefore crosses the barrier, there is no need to replot it separately. Just intersect the highway with the area/barrier and add the barrier=entrance on the intersection.--SHARCRASH (talk) 11:35, 16 October 2023 (UTC)