Talk:WikiProject Europe/EuroVelo

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Splitting at country borders?

Should the international routes be split at country borders or not? Certainly a route from Scotland to Ukraine will be one gigantic relation... For the national cycle networks in Belgium and the Netherlands here we have some routes that cross borders, and we split them up, mainly because the tagging conventions are different (what in Belgium is route "LF2", becomes just "2" in the Netherlands). My opinion is that we should leave the tagging conventions for international routes to the countries themselves (there might be more than one international networks somewhere for example, and the may need special rules). --Eimai 11:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure about this, but the main reason for relations is "grouping things together". By splitting up this grouping gets lost. However, for working with these relations it might be useful creating more than one and merging them near the end of the process. -- Eckhart 12:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't really think grouping will be a problem if a relation is split up into five for each country it passes. I'm thinking about metadata problems as well, like which kind of symbols are used for example, which do vary in each country (but then again, they can sometimes change inside one country as well). --Eimai 12:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, apparently symbols aren't an issue here, the EuroVelo site suggests that they're all signed with the same symbol (a number in the European stars). (I don't know how they're signed in reality since I don't live near a EV route) --Eimai 13:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I would say that each EV should get one relation ... that's what they are for, aren't they? Here in Austria the EVs also have regional numbers and names, so these ways are members of several routes (like rcn and icn). -- Skunk 08:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
My opinion is, never split the relation of a route with one name and one reference. Boarders and regions are artificial splits of a route and it is not necessary to split the relation. If you have only one simple relation without submembers, it is easy to get a gpx-file for your GPS and use it for your requirements. And the length of a route or the number of ways in the relation should be no problem. --KK-O 19:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

EuroVelos are ncn

I just changed the network of the eurovelo-relations to 'ncn', so they will be rendered on the Cycle Map. When the Cycle Map is able to display icn's we can change the network back to icn. -- Skunk 06:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't tag for the renderers, but adjust the rendering. By tagging for the renderers you're removing the incentive to change them. --Eimai 11:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
1. It's a tag that is not official by now. 2. I already talked to GravityStorm, the maintainer of the Cycle Map, he wants to implement the icn-routes, he is just currently too busy to do it. So that problem will be taken care of. -- Skunk 20:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Official or not, if everyone who's tagging routes like that uses "icn" it's official enough. The other tags ncn/rcn/lcn were also never voted on. Also, people can render their own maps, so don't just look at the cycle map to decide how you're tagging. Oh well, just remember to retag everything again to icn once it's getting supported better. --Eimai 12:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I used icn as per this article when creating the EV12 relation yesterday. It is shown in Cycle_routes#Relations but I don't know how long it has been there. EdLoach 15:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

EV12 North Sea Route and NCN NR1

The EV12 follows the NCN National Route 1 in the UK (though I have never seen an actual "EV12" signpost). The NR1 route (see) has been split into 3 relations because it's massive. How can it be included in EV12? Is it possible to have a relation inside another relation? Or will it be necessary to add all of the ways manually? ChrisB 11:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)